Heritage pay for everyone.Fullflush they treated me so badly and with everyone $ 49814 was taken away.it's not fair

Has there been any blowback from this Game-Protect shyster? Are people finally realizing sending that bozo money was a terrible idea.

clear as day from the get go, ppl to naive

Yeah, when are you going to appoint yourself to pay back all the people you helped scam with Full Flush Poker?

Shocking that you still show your face out here, as if everything is fine.

He'll buy your debt for $0.40 on the $1 and then use his cash out privileges to get the full amount.

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sump

I think Witteles is referring to the poster kahntrutahn and not Calvin Ayre. Does anyone know the background here?

Best wishes,
Mason

He's referring to Full Flush Poker / Equity Poker Network going bankrupt. I was an affiliate and he thinks I was involved/an owner and knew they were bankrupt. Which is false.

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Kahn

Hi Kahn:

My suggestion is that you reply directly to Witteles and state what you did in this post and then ask him directly why he made that statement about you and what he's basing it on.

Best wishes,
Mason

Thanks for stepping in Mason. This is long overdue.

Anyone who has followed this thread and Witteles' thread will have a lot of suspicions and unanswered questions. It's time for some sunlight.

The bankruptcy title:

1) Confirms the debt of those who joined the request

2) Confirms that the criminal offenses of embezzlement and fraud are committed.

3) Can be used as proof to file criminal complaints.

In case of criminal offenses are commited, the participants are also liable with their private assets!

Hence, it does not help them that the company itself has no penny left, because they have to pay the debt from their private pockets.

I sympathize, but where I would fall short attempting to sue them is simply how on Earth do you collect from foreigners who are purposefully trying to shield their assets and personal liability? I imagine you'd have to pierce the corporate veil of multiple companies in multiple jurisdictions, even if you did manage to win a suit. I don't think the attorney is going to cover all of that pro bono or even on contingency given the amount of money involved (it's not a lot... Lock had 15mm in debt and I've yet to hear of anyone successfully recovering funds from them).

I'm pretty sure others ITT have mentioned that before but it does bears repeating. A judgement does no good if you can't collect.

I do wish you the best of luck.

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Kahn

You are completely lost here and need to stop listening to GameProtect. A bankruptcy is a CIVIL issue and has ZERO ties to a criminal anything. The attorney that scam artist listed that is supposedly working on it has nothing to do with it, at all.

It can not be used as proof of a damn thing to file in a criminal court. bankruptcy is a civil right of a person or entity to protect themselves from liabilities. It doesn't have a single thing to do with a criminal case, in any regard.

You are being scammed and so are others that are listening to Game Protect. If you would like to get some real feedback and any monies you have sent them back, file your claim here....

https://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx

and join their investigation.

The person/people at Game Protect are hopelessly clueless and stupid; they are just scamming people. Their site is hosted in the US and they are violating more than one federal law. You have zero chance of getting anything back from Full Flush, but you should be able to get your money back from Game Protect.

Anyone that has sent Game Protect can use that link to file a complain with the FBI.

Thanks for the link adewd. Figure worth a shot, filled it out and sent it in. Would encourage others to do the same. Once again, would not recommend anyone sending ANY money to this Game-Protect idiot.

-B

I would guess that they have received complaints on Full Flush, but not 100% and still worth filling out in that regard. I do know they are aware of Game-Protect and that is active.

In case there is any fear from filing a complaint in either case, the US laws state that it is illegal to offer or assist in making possible gambling services and no federal guidelines on the player. You can deposit, withdraw, play, etc... The illegality is the offering and/or assisting in a US citizen doing any of the above. That is why banks will not process deposits/withdrawals. You do not open yourself up to any criminal liability in filing a complaint. Although, if you were to file a complaint that you are owed winnings of $100,000 from Full Flush it is not unreasonable to think that your info would be turned over to the IRS. Even if you do not received the proceeds, you are actually still liable for the tax money owed amazingly enough.

Poker networks that accept US citizens are domiciled, hosted, and setup in non US tax treaty countries. The FBI is out of its jurisdiction in that regard and the likelihood of one of those countries turning over one of their own is not too good. Game-Protect was hosted by a US company and setup out of Phoenix. Oddly enough, they moved their hosting to Nassau, Bahamas right around the time the discussion was taking place of offering unlicensed legal advice for a fee to file their bs paperwork nowhere.

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Fortunately for those in the US that sent money, they were hosted here and solicited money at that time.

FYI, their new hosting service provider and phone number is....

internetbs.net

+1.5163872248

https://repdigger.com/phones/15163872248


All mentioning of the law firm and attorney 'filing the bankruptcy claim in Curacao'

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2180

have been removed from the site (+1 for screenshots). Golly, I wonder why.... It sucks that people got scammed out of money, self included, by Archer and company. Someone that tries to scam those people again by preying on their loss is despicable.

You don't sympathize at all, because you caused a lot of this mess with your own selfish, deceitful, and illegal actions.

You were, by your own admission, the sole affiliate for Full Flush Poker, and you profited big by driving traffic there.

You promoted Full Flush Poker as "safe" on your sizable affiliate site for MANY MONTHS after it was clear they were not paying people. Many people begged you to post clear and sufficient warnings regarding their lack of payment to their customers, but you ignored them.

You promoted Full Flush Poker as having payment times which were completely untrue, for MANY MONTHS while they were not paying anyone. Again, you refused to change or remove this language when confronted.

You were buying Full Flush money from desperate players at $0.40 on the dollar while simultaneously taking new depositors and sign-ups on your affiliate sites, again with no warning as to what was really going on there.

Need I go on?

You are also a huge hypocrite because you were one of the loudest voices bashing Lock Poker for doing the exact same thing (and eventually suffering the exact same collapse), despite all the signs being there in both cases. So you can't plead ignorance.

Why did you bash Lock and promote/defend Full Flush, when they were both clearly lying, stealing, and scamming?

Because Lock was a competitor to the sites you were promoting, whereas you had a monopoly on the Full Flush affiliate racket.

You are also an online poker veteran of 10+ years and knew very well that Full Flush was circling the drain, yet you chose to lead new lambs to the slaughter.

In short, you have no business showing your face around here, and it's pathetic watching you try to move on as if none of this ever happened.

Notice kahn isn't addressing any of this.

He won't. And if he does, it will be a few generalized sentences which mean nothing.

Just remember that he was a willing accomplice in the Full Flush scam before you give his rakeback operation any business.

why am i not suprised. this kahn guy has always rubbed me the wrong way and I've been proven many times to be an excellent reader of character.

he's just way too involved with both sides of the poker business and I've never felt comfortable with his level of interest in "helping" poker players on these forums. always feels like a guise.

one lesson I've learned in life...the people who are actually interested in helping people out, they just aren't involved in business on any level. sorry you guys had to go through this and I hope you find a way to recover your money.

Why isKahn allowed to do business on 2+2 without addressing these issues?

well I'm assuming he's not a stupid guy. there will probably be enough murkiness in the details that its difficult to assign & prove any specific allegations.

the problem is that every time 2+2 sleuths dissect one of these shady poker scandals, they just end up paving the way for a more sophisticated scam/whatever to come along and take everyones moneys.

Like anyone else who isn't an advertiser, Kahn isn't authorized "to do business on 2+2" (with the exception of Marketplace threads if authorized, or funds trading). If you know of him doing so, we'd appreciated members passing along any pertinent information.

Bump

Got a PM from Kahn saying he wasn't the sole affiliate of Full Flush, but he didn't answer to any of the much more important and damning points I brought up.

He didn't respond to my reply, nor has he done so here.

LOL

I guess it's time to finally delete the desktop icon from my computer.

I barely even remember Full Flush anymore. (anyone still here listening? Is this thing on?)

http://www.fullflushpoker.com/

(In Captain Kirks voice) KAAAAAhhhhhhhnnnnnn!!!!