you can change seat by right clicking where you want to be, a 'sit here' pops up and click that, moves you.

Yes for a HUD. Hmm, thats disappointing

Big threads in hsnl about bots beating higher stakes for long time now on many sites. Bots are a huge risk to online poker.

You know speaking about bots, I was thinking the other day what if Bovada themselves had bots and placed them at all different stake levels. Let me start off by saying there is 0 prove this is happening and it's simply just an idea. I decided to just throw the idea out there since the topic of bots got started up and I just finished playing for the night. So basically, if Bovada ever did something like this, how would they ever get caught? I mean with anonymous tables and all, it would be hard enough to even realize and catch a bot your playing against. Not only that, but you would never think that Bovada themselves would resort to something like that and how would anyone prove it anyway? It would literally be impossible to prove so there would essentially be no risk involved. All the while, they benefit not only from increasing action at all stake levels, but the bots themselves would profit for the site by being able to defeat the average player. Lol, good night all and remember to put your tinfoil hats on so the aliens don't get you.

No one ever said they dont exist.

All I said was that bots that can beat NL 10/20 games are rare, which is an accurate statement.

The dude then replied by arguing something I never said which was that they dont exist.

Its like I say the sky is blue and he tells me that I need to do some research because Post Its are yellow.


Anyways, Im done with this silliness. All I did was ask him to elaborate on his claims to try to help. Now I dont care to help him, not that anyone here could anyways, especially if he doesnt bring any evidence to the table.

Trying to find out which gift cards allow international transactions for Bovada and where to get them! Thanks

ok dude, you're right, none of your statements were 'inaccurate'. i hope u feel very good about yourself. u r distracting everyone from the point in order to bring more attention to yourself. thanks. we all appreciate that.

obviously i don't have any solid proof for this. i suppose i could record my next session while describing the bots' behavior and post that. it wouldn't 'prove' anything. i doubt it's possible to prove this with everything being anonymous. i've been playing for a long time though (almost 8 years now) and i know what type of behavior is consistent with botting. could i be wrong? sure. that's why my first post said 'am i the only one who suspects bots on the network?'

Actually, you were the one who decided to make an argument out of nothing.

I don't know why that would be obvious - I think it's a legitimate question to ask what evidence you have, which would be quite helpful to others who might like to help finding said bots.

Or you can just continue to get your back up at anyone who has the temerity to ask any questions and blame them for distracting everyone from the point.

bot derail go away plz

@ 25NL - 9.83bb/100 over 30k hands
@ 50NL - 8.40bb/100 over 34k hands
@ 100NL - 6.57bb/100 over 45k hands

Has anyone tried to get a group together to get 100NL zone running? I think once it gets running a few times and people see it running it would run more often. This might lead to them allowing higher stakes zone in the future. I would be down to help get it started whenever.

May want to try and get the 50 zoom started while you're at it.

I have ran into a recent issue on Bovada and am just looking for advice or suggestions. Quick run down on what's going on. I deposited $95 into my Bovada account on Monday Feb. 17th and in about a 24 hour time span got on a heater (mainly playing casino games sprinkled with some sports betting and poker) and ran balance up to $7700. Sorry not brag post. I then proceeded to request a cashout of $2970. Then a couple hours later my account was disabled. I called Customer support and was furious about this. They said that they had to close my account because of a previous account they closed in 2010 when they were Bodog.

Now I understand that if their policy is to not allow me to have an account because they previously closed my prior account 4 years ago because I asked them to because I couldn't control my gambling at that point in time. Here is the thing that is really frustrating to me. I have been playing on Bovada for the last 2 years very consistently. For the last 2 years I have deposited around $25k. I have sent in all required verification including drivers id, credit card forms, proof of address, ect... Never, ever trying to hide who I was. I honestly thought when I signed up with Bovada it was different than having a previous account on Bodog. So over this 2 years period Bovada never had an issue with me giving them $25k but When I request to have some money taken out all of a sudden they disable my account and say they can no longer let me play there.

They have said they are sending me my account balance in 3 separate checks, but after about a week the first one has still yet to be processed. My question is if I shouldn't have been able to play at their site for the last 2 years, should I be getting refunding the money I have given them? Should I be trying to get more money then the $7.7k? I would just like to know other peoples opinions on what I should do.

Side note.... They said they are charging me $50 on the last 2 checks 1 Free for Feb. but shouldn't I also get 1 free for March? and also I had earned $225+ in casino points that I was supposed to be credited to my account on Friday the 21st but will not be getting that either.

Sorry post is so long I just am concerned they are not going to pay me out and also I feel like I have been cheated.

Deets on winning sports bets?

Your new account wasn't flagged as gambling problem. I am guessing this is your first cash out? They probably looked it over in more depth when you made a large cash out. It is in their best interest to not have you flagged, but I am sure KGC requires it to be an option? Was the name and address the same as the "Problem gambling" account? I made a request for the casino to be blocked (just poker and sports). You have to be careful when wording the requests. Just be happy your going out +7.7k. No they don't owe you anything as KGC is the only one that regulates them, If you had an issue you would have to take it up with them.

From their TOS
5.4. Setting Deposit Limit to Zero / Account Closure due to Problem Gambling. You have the option of setting your play limits to zero or completely closing the Account if you believe you have a gambling problem. We honor all such directions immediately. Note that if you elect not to close the Account, the deposit limit will apply as an aggregate limit for all deposit instruments attached to the Account at the time of the limit request only. Please note that when contacting Customer Service to implement such measures, you must identify that you are requesting an Account closure or deposit limit due to a gambling problem. This is to ensure that such requests are distinguishable from temporary "cooling off" requests (see Section 5.5). If you request to have your Account closed or your Account limit set to zero as a consequence of a perceived gambling problem, please be advised that your Account will be permanently closed without the option to re-open.

Is it permitted to play bovada on more than one computer at different times on the same IP? What about 2 different accounts on one IP? My roommate wants to make an account with the same address and using the same IP as me.

As long as your not on the same table/tournament I don't see this being an issue, but that does bring a good question of how would you know if he is in a different room in the house and you play the same stakes and its anonymous.

PER TOS
3.2. Single Account Access. You are permitted to open only one (1) Account. Only one account is allowed per household. Multiple accounts held by the same individual are subject to immediate closure and we reserve the right to seize any funds gained as a result of holding multiple accounts. Furthermore you shall not permit another person to access the Website or Software via your account without the express permission of Bovada.

One account per HOUSEHOLD but then it says individual.

Yea that's confusing

My first experienc running into bots was with pokerstars when I played a sitngo and as soon as I busted the whole table completely disapeared. I think it was some weird program where someone could register for 8 seats on a sitngo and then when you sit down they where gauranteed to win as long as they knock you out (I don't know this for sure this is just what I was thinking at the time before black friday)...I started to read about bots online and watched some people showing how they use them in youtube videos. One thing I remember learning about bots is that they are usually exploitable and also timing tells will often give them away. If I'm not mistaken that is how sites used to check for them. They look to see if your actions take exactly the same amount of time no matter the situation and how long your sessions run.

I don't see what incentive bovada would have to be in on something like this though, considering the site already has plenty of fishy action. Also if they wanted to bot, why stop there they could just go superuser or RNG program. Also if you had a bot that was next level enough to beat the highest stakes wouldnt you make more money playing it in head up cash games?

How would the whole table disappear? Wouldnt they still have to decide a winner by going all in? A novice programmer could work around the timing. Just do a thread.sleep for random amount of seconds between 1-15 each play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzjrM0Z0DG8

first thing I just found when I googled bot lol sick.

INTERESTING. Bot doesn't seem to have very good strategy to adjust to the blinds (based off the 44 hand and the AKs hand)

I can't find the bot that registers 8 out of 9 seats at the moment but I think I have the website saved in a file on another comp.. If I can find the link I will post. They are definately out there. What I would be worried about is RNG programs (if they even work). Then your just completely screwed. I know people where using them back on paradise poker. I havent seen anything that fishy on Bovada though. Honestly I have been cleaning up on bovada over a large amount of hands so even if there is some cheating there is still pleanty of easy fish to offset any loses incured by cheating.

Has anyone received their $50/500 poker points bonus yet? This bonus type unfortunately never shows up in my player admin. I know I cleared it, yet nothing...