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04-20-2017 , 10:51 PM
Aren't updates supposed to make this site better? Every single update this site made has made things worse. I sat with two guys at HU and they eventually quit. I've been waiting now for 2 hours and have not had a single person come sit and play. three players sat, immediately sat out. I'm assuming so they can open up new tables. So basically this update does nothing but take longer to pick a table.

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04-20-2017 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
This is a pretty good guess imo
Just started playing on Ignition in the last month - have been playing a mix of 100nl/200nl and the occasional 400nl. Never have an issue finding good games. Was there really that much more traffic a year or two ago? Genuinely curious
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04-20-2017 , 11:09 PM
Everyone in this thread should email and call ignition complaining about the new update. Just bombard them so they eventually change it back.
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04-20-2017 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
The main downside I see in the new system is that people won't shot take higher stakes as often. I'll always jump up a stake or two if I see a good table, but not anymore.
Yeah one thing we know for sure is this is awful for people shotting higher stakes. Basically as of today I kinda have to stop playing the highest level I was playing because I'm just playing orbits and orbits of HU/3 handed/4 handed poker against anon players. Variance suddenly tripled overnight.

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Originally Posted by TopPairNine
One has to ask themselves why we all play here vs say ACR? I would argue the only reason is the soft games. How has the site managed to keep the games good for years? Largely by doing things grinders are going to hate.
You're taking two diff things, Bovada/Ignition's management decisions, and the softness of the site, and assuming causality. We don't know exactly why the site is/has been soft, so it's kinda convoluted to be like "well this update seems bad, but their management must know what they're doing, because they've kept it soft for years." This is a management that recently took nearly a week to fix a relatively simple flawed security/anti-collusion message, to their great financial detriment.
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04-20-2017 , 11:46 PM
omfg disconnected with the nuts and guy betting into me.
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04-20-2017 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by zxjaexz
omfg disconnected with the nuts and guy betting into me.
Also dced while still connected to the internet. One of my tables completely broke because of it.
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04-20-2017 , 11:49 PM
Just disconnected from all my tables and they all closed. Says I am still sitting at the tables but cant see them. Re-starting the client didn't solve the issue. Anyone else experiencing this?
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04-20-2017 , 11:50 PM
could definitely tell a lot of players were getting d/c. I was fine, but tables were breaking up.
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04-20-2017 , 11:51 PM
disconnected in the $25k, right before the bubble. wonderful.
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04-20-2017 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by zxjaexz
omfg disconnected with the nuts and guy betting into me.
everyone got the boot, fvck these clowns
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04-20-2017 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
Yeah one thing we know for sure is this is awful for people shotting higher stakes. Basically as of today I kinda have to stop playing the highest level I was playing because I'm just playing orbits and orbits of HU/3 handed/4 handed poker against anon players. Variance suddenly tripled overnight.



You're taking two diff things, Bovada/Ignition's management decisions, and the softness of the site, and assuming causality. We don't know exactly why the site is/has been soft, so it's kinda convoluted to be like "well this update seems bad, but their management must know what they're doing, because they've kept it soft for years." This is a management that recently took nearly a week to fix a relatively simple flawed security/anti-collusion message, to their great financial detriment.
How is that sweet NL action on ACR?? Yeah, we don't know... LOL

No, I'm not Bodog has always done things their own way. Back in the day, it was " lifestyle" marketing, Fast cashouts etc. The management clearly made the decision to hurt grinders and build a business around net depositing players. Hell, the software barely changed in 10 years. They offer few of the features Grinders like. Which why they stayed away. This is more of the same. Everyone on this site will hate it and complain, but in the end, if there are still Fish they will still have a business.

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04-21-2017 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Cardcleaner
I think they did it just to hide the fact that the lobby has been dwindling down to ghost town status over the past year and a half. "The place won't look empty if you can't see how few tables are running."
Tourney scene is seeing overlays pretty routinely every night. Bovada ****ed themselves and us with ridiculous series of decisions, including the Ignition move and the horrid software update before that.
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04-21-2017 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TopPairNine
How is that sweet NL action on ACR?? Yeah, we don't know... LOL
idk what this means

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No, I'm not Bodog has always done things their own way. Back in the day, it was " lifestyle" marketing, Fast cashouts etc. The management clearly made the decision to hurt grinders and build a business around net depositing players. Hell, the software barely changed in 10 years. They offer few of the features Grinders like. Which why they stayed away. This is more of the same. Everyone on this site will hate it and complain, but in the end, if there are still Fish they will still have a business.
You're suggesting the reason the site has stayed soft is because of management decisions that have been made that are bad for grinders. There is surely some truth to this (increasing the rake obv causes grinders to be more likely to leave), but it's still somewhat assumptive and overly simplistic. Rake increases may also cause recs to leave.

I just think it's illogical to conclude that what's bad for regs is good for recs when it comes to a major change like this. Only time will tell.
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04-21-2017 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
Just started playing on Ignition in the last month - have been playing a mix of 100nl/200nl and the occasional 400nl. Never have an issue finding good games. Was there really that much more traffic a year or two ago? Genuinely curious
i don't agree with that theory. if you look at their pokerscout graph for the past 6 months, traffic has dropped by no more than 20%. the majority of that drop has come in the past month and a half or so, which is actually to be expected for a site with no growth or attrition since poker traffic is seasonal. more people play poker in the winter months cause it's ****ty outside. so i really doubt ignition is panicking too much about their traffic. nothing here seems very out of the ordinary or alarming to me, especially considering they were probably expecting to lose some poker business as a result of the bovada split & imo it's not even clear that's happened.
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04-21-2017 , 01:14 AM
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idk what this means



You're suggesting the reason the site has stayed soft is because of management decisions that have been made that are bad for grinders. There is surely some truth to this (increasing the rake obv causes grinders to be more likely to leave), but it's still somewhat assumptive and overly simplistic. Rake increases may also cause recs to leave.

I just think it's illogical to conclude that what's bad for regs is good for recs when it comes to a major change like this. Only time will tell.
I've simply point out that grinders love all the features that make multi-tabling easier. HUDS no table caps. RB etc...

Also, most Rec players I know don't even consider the rake.

Compare the two sites ACR vs Bodog.. Which have softer games? They use two different models.
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04-21-2017 , 01:21 AM
Just had a rec tell me they were upset because they couldn't rail the highstakes games anymore. Good job guys.. driving away your player base.
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04-21-2017 , 01:26 AM
Update is borderline unplayable. Can't get any full table action. If I sit a table or get sat, the reg sits out. When the third guy sits, he sees us sitting out and leaves. He doesn't want to play 2-3 handed. So to find the full tables you have to repeatedly go through the search and close your current table. I play 200-600nl and 200-400PLO. This update could have really killed the site tbh. Instead of having 4 tables full most of the time, I have maybe 1 with 2 empty and one 2-3 handed. And you are discouraged from table starting anyway because the games just do not fill.
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04-21-2017 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bm303
Update is borderline unplayable. Can't get any full table action. If I sit a table or get sat, the reg sits out. When the third guy sits, he sees us sitting out and leaves. He doesn't want to play 2-3 handed. So to find the full tables you have to repeatedly go through the search and close your current table. I play 200-600nl and 200-400PLO. This update could have really killed the site tbh. Instead of having 4 tables full most of the time, I have maybe 1 with 2 empty and one 2-3 handed. And you are discouraged from table starting anyway because the games just do not fill.
exactly
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04-21-2017 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bm303
Update is borderline unplayable. Can't get any full table action. If I sit a table or get sat, the reg sits out. When the third guy sits, he sees us sitting out and leaves. He doesn't want to play 2-3 handed. So to find the full tables you have to repeatedly go through the search and close your current table. I play 200-600nl and 200-400PLO. This update could have really killed the site tbh. Instead of having 4 tables full most of the time, I have maybe 1 with 2 empty and one 2-3 handed. And you are discouraged from table starting anyway because the games just do not fill.
+1000
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04-21-2017 , 02:08 AM
Look on the bright side. There's been worse updates.
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04-21-2017 , 02:16 AM
Fast poker has it's problems, but at least you sit and immediately play with a full table (if the pool is big enough). If Ignition was going to make a massive change, they would have been better to switch the entire site to all Zone Poker instead of this crazy update. And they could have covered the number of people in the Zone pools if they were so inclined (Stars for a short time once covered the number of players in the higher stakes pools).

Also this update might see the rise of PLO Zone which has been dead so far. Higher stakes than PLO25 will obviously be needed.

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04-21-2017 , 02:25 AM
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Fast poker has it's problems, but at least you sit and immediately play with a full table (if the pool is big enough). If Ignition was going to make a massive change, they would have been better to switch the entire site to all Zone Poker instead of this crazy update. And they could have covered the number of people in the Zone pools if they were so inclined (Stars for a short time once covered the number of players in the higher stakes pools).

Also this update might see the rise of PLO Zone which has been dead so far. Higher stakes than PLO25 will obviously be needed.
I completely agree. Make the entire site Zone, with all game formats. Would be a WAY better idea than this. Plus, zone is good for people on their phones/tablets.

I have requested higher stakes PLO zone in the past. I doubt it's coming. PLO200 zone would be amazing for both recs and regs. That would cater to their model, make them way more $ in rake, especially from people 1 tabling on their mobile devices. This system did nothing but castrate the player pool. Even the recs must hate this. Who wants to play heads up on a full ring table for 20 minutes with a tight reg? Nobody.
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04-21-2017 , 02:26 AM
lol no there has not been worse updates.

wow. the good thing about bitcoin is there are other sites to transfer to quick.

So there is acr, chico, seals i guess?

I play NJ sites and seals and was pissed when ignition banned NJ players but now with this and the previous rake hike I am kinda good riddens.

All of a sudden I feel I am in the best state in america for online poker.
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04-21-2017 , 03:40 AM
The update a year ago was worse when they changed it to the mobile software and going from instant lobby refreshing to waiting 2 min for it to refresh. I don't mind playing a little shorter handed.

No, not all of us want to play Zone. Some of us like a higher hourly and getting reads/building a dynamic and adjusting accordingly. The elements that exist in literally every other form of poker.
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04-21-2017 , 03:49 AM
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No, not all of us want to play Zone. Some of us like a higher hourly and getting reads/building a dynamic and adjusting accordingly. The elements that exist in literally every other form of poker.
Luckily, there's a site that has no Zone form of poker that you can go to where you can get those reads that "exist in literally every other form of poker".
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