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Wait a minute; wait a minute. Ignition is always flogging us to try the casino isn't it? Maybe they also flog sports betters to try poker. Make business sense.

Can people in EU play on any of these site please?

We dont play 10nl, but congrats and good job

This troll is ruining this thread

Big drop in posts ever since his arrival

No one likes him , he should go play somewhere else

Poor ExcuseMaker aka 50NL Baller lol

hahahahahahahaha

obv this. mods he is an obvious troll - why no ban?

Yeah, I think I alluded to the fact that people have been given conflicting information from CS about this. What he said, though, is that it's against the TOS.

A HUD gives a player an advantage, no question about it. But since any player could use a HUD, I don't see what's unfair about it.

Unless you can quote a different part of the TOS that explicitly states HUDs are against the rules, it's time for you to stop derailing the thread by calling people cheaters. You don't like people using HUDs, we get it.

Responding to people you think are a problem, or carrying on about how they ruin the thread, isn't helping the thread either. If you see problem posts, use the Report Post feature - red triangle to the left of every post. But keep in mind that not everyone who you disagree with, or posts things that sound stupid to you, is a troll.

Ignition customer service has also stated that the USA player pool is segregated from the bodog player pool.

That is why when you have a serious question I always recommend saving the email you received from CS. Just in case.

are you kidding me dude? any player could use a HUD so that makes it fair? do you know the definition of the word unfair? you are cheating if you use a HUD its in plain english in the TOS. quit trying to justify whats obviously cheating. unless everyone is using a HUD you using one is unfair.

im not derailing the thread im informing people what they are doing is wrong, against TOS, and cheating. i dont like people CHEATING.

do you use a HUD on ignition?

un·fair
ˌənˈfer/
adjective
not based on or behaving according to the principles of equality and justice
not following the rules of a game or sport.
synonyms: unsportsmanlike, unsporting, dirty, below the belt, underhanded, dishonorable
"unfair play"

Your informing people wrong. It is not against the TOS.
Drop it.

Not really. They'd rather those guys lose their money to them on bad sports bets instead of punting stacks to poker players.

As annoying as he is, Rich does appear to be right.

'We consider access to or the ability to gather data or information on other players by any means that would not be accessible via their own first-hand experience (i.e. observation of game play) to be "unfair".'

It's pretty clear what they're saying, although I do agree if they want full clarity they need to mention the word "HUD" in the TOS given the ubiquity of this term in the poker world.

Although not explicitly mentioning HUD's I believe the intent of that clause was to forbid them. It's really not all that surprising considering the crowd they cater to.

Rich, I still think you are conflating the idea of something being against their TOS and something being considered as "cheating". Yes using a HUD is most likely against their TOS but I would certainly not call it "cheating". Put it another way, say you played someone HU and they ended up destroying you. Later on you find out that they were only 17 (obviously against their TOS). Would you consider yourself cheated in anyway?

Exactly, it is clear by that quote that huds are allowed.

What they are talking about here is datamining imo. Obviously datamining has become a problem in the online poker world and pretty unfair on other sites imo. Having a HUD would be first hand experience in this case.

A Hud gathers information that is available with first hand information at the table. My hud doesn't catch anything that I can't gather for myself at the table.

Data mining, is where you aren't at the table but gathering information. Data mining is cheating according to the TOS.

According to the TOS, huds are not cheating. According to the Bodog rep that use to post here, Huds are permissible (TOS was identical at that time as the present time). According to first line customer service, huds are not permitted.

Yes absolutely see what you guys are saying, so in the end it does boil down to what the definition of a "first-hand experience" is. In my mind it's hard to argue that HUDs are exactly the equivalent of a first-hand experience -- they are after all a software that aids you in this task, whether you could do it on your own or not. It really depends how you look at it, and thus is open to interpretation. Again, to reiterate from before, they would really need to mention the word "HUD" to clarify what their policy is.

If someone else uses a 32" monitor and can see the tables better than everyone else using a 20" monitor, is that unfair? If someone else gets poker coaching and you don't, is that unfair? If someone uses better sports equipment then someone else, is that unfair? Should those things all be against the rules?

No, that's the one thing it isn't. Plain English would be "The use of HUDs and tracking software is forbidden" - but that's not what it says. I get where you're coming from with your interpretation of the TOCs even though I don't agree with it, but there's no way to argue that it states using a HUD is cheating in plain English - it would make life much easier if it was.

Not sure why you're getting so wound up and making it personal. I have no reason to justify anything; I don't even play on the site.

When you go around calling people cheaters in a belligerent fashion, you move from informing to derailing.

The only way this works is through some pretty circular reasoning - it's unfair because it's cheating, and it's cheating because it's unfair.

This kind of wording is typically meant to cover datamining, which given the anonymous tables at Ignition, would be a pretty serious problem. All of the information that a HUD uses is indeed gathered through their own first-hand experience. No data or information is being gathered on other players based on anything other than first-hand information. It says nothing about analysis of said data.

Don't get me wrong, I understand what a murky issue this is. CS has been far from clear - some people have been told that HUDs aren't allowed, some have been told the opposite. It may well be that TPTB at Ignition/Bodog intend for HUDs not to be allowed. My only argument here is that the TOCs are far from clear on this, and certainly not clear enough for Rich to be spending his time in this thread aggressively calling anyone who uses a HUD a cheater.

Thanks for intervening BoBo

I'm glad it's over , we don't need several pages of "I'm right / you're wrong about HUDs" ....It has been OVERKILL

Hopefully we can return to some normalcy here without this guy hijacking every page in the thread

2p2 gets a bad rap because of people acting like this and derailing good threads

enough is enough

All this HUD talk being against TOS brings up a question. Can Bodog/Ignition see whether you're using a HUD or not? Is there any way for them to know?

Sorry if this is the wrong place, but I was attempting to purchase bitcoin through coinbase. My transaction has been pending for almost 2 hours with no confirmations. I usually send it to electrum than to bovada. Any reason why my transaction on coinbase has been pending for so long? Never had to wait this long before and also with 0 confirmations

No they cannot know


Your post is unclear but I assume you tried to send bitcoin from Coinbase to electrum and it's taking a while. Probably congestion on the network and also has to do with the fees associated with your transaction. The lower the fee the less likely your transaction will be in the next block.

If it's the transaction after purchasing on Coinbase then that is something I would email their customer service about. Typically when I've bought from Coinbase (it's been a while) it's immediately available unless I'm buying over $3k worth. In that case I have to wait several days.

This obv

End this aids derail here imo

FWIW I E-mailed bovada regarding the legitimacy of HUDS back in 2014 and they *inferred* that it was acceptable. I don't have access to the e-mail I used when I asked back then, but it was basically OK.

Lol, derail of what? People with post count <10 asking what "rollover" means?