100/200nl FR NLHE has been running strong. Seems easier to get 4 tables fire up now. Occasionally play 400nl too and those games seem to be deader and reggier.

Being able to select your stake and not see which tables are open helps the fish stay at lower stakes, I think.

This is what I expected to happen. The NLH pool only goes up to $1/2 and the PLO pool only up to $.10/.25. If Ignition had half a brain they would have moved the existing pre-update cash game stakes over to Zone as a fail safe to losing players. Hell there was a $30/60 FLO8 that went from running one full table and several short handed tables that now disappears forever? Ignition the brain fart crew.

PLO is a cash cow for sites like Pokerstars. Ignition has made it harder to play PLO on their site. There is no way this is a smart move.

Also this latest round of removing transparency has gone too far. If the $400+ games dry up enough they are going to have to take a cold hard look in mirror, because they shifted from a site offering some of the highest stakes to a micro/mid only stakes site.

"‘pro’ players buy hand-data, via their screenname, and use that data against recreational players. This isn’t being a ’pro’ player, its cheating."

Whoever wrote the press release (not article) didn't state this well. As written, it implies that all pro players buy hand histories, which probably isn't true.

Although the press release is weak on substance, and is obviously just an attempt to paint Bodog and its associated properties in a good light (as press releases often do) there is a logical flaw in posts above. Walk with me.

Let's take it to the extreme: all cheaters are net withdrawers (he said "tend to only withdraw," but this a cleaner example). "He said all net withdrawers are cheaters!" Um, no. All poodles are dogs does not imply that all dogs are poodles.

And there is nothing in there that can be read as saying net depositers are cheaters, despite what some clueless guy commenting below said, unless there was a previous version that they have since edited.

Not having much trouble getting 4 tables loaded but they seem to get short handed much quicker than before, and therefore also break up quicker.

Same. The ease in finding tables could be that I'm still in the micros (25nl), but I'm having a much easier time loading up full 6-max tables than before. However, as you stated, it's rare that I'm able to get ~80+ hands on the table before it breaks. It seems like once the table is filled and a seat opens up it never gets filled again.

Yeah I agree with this. Even if I get a table where I'm 5th or 6th player at it it slowly breaks and I rarely see a seat filled. Not sure if that's just lack of traffic or poor refilling of tables. Noticed this on both a Friday night and Sunday afternoon/night when I figure there's at least decent traffic going.

Seems like this is happening because the seating script is prioritizing starting new tables over filling existing ones. New tables are getting started too fast so old tables can't refill.

If they are just trying to protect fish, they should have done something like hide pot averages and % of players per flop. Maybe even auto assign you a seat, but still let you pick the specific table. This seems silly, I chat a good bit at the tables and even casual players seem to dislike it. Also traffic seems way down, at least at 200NL. There has been speculation that maybe they seat you based on WR, because the games seem tougher. But maybe the recs just don't like the current feature. It's so ironic that it is advertised on their site as a "faster" way to get into a game. But it's like an extra 4-5 clicks and sometimes you just end up at an empty table.

Nobody is saying net depositors are cheaters, not even the article. Not sure where you got that from, or how that would even make sense.

What the article does basically say is that net withdrawers i.e. Skilled players are just as bad for their room as cheaters. What's next, are they going to sieze accounts for being a net withdrawer since its the same thing as being a cheater in their eyes?

Help yourself out and read between the lines, like others have said it's less and less transparency from these people everyday.

I didn't say the press release said that. I referred to the comment below the press release (by the guy from Kentucky), which you'll see is now marked as "edited." I agree that what he said before made no sense, and I guess he also realized how foolish it looked.

I don't need any help. I didn't say any of this was untrue, and I agree with most it. What I disagree with are logic fails in the service of a position I otherwise agree with because they undermine the overall credibility of that position.

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I am in no way defending or supporting any of what this or any of the sites have done. But let's be real about things we are unregulated sites. People are mad because it's harder for them to make money. ( makes sense).. Bodog feels it's their business to make these changes.Time will tell. The sad truth is Online poker in the US is in tough shape, and nothing will change until we have open markets with a little competition We are left with changing sites, Playing Live, or quitting.

I think it's worth noting that things are in such bad shape because your Avg player will not put money on one of these sites. No ADs, Bitcoin (WTF to most folks) It has been 10 years since it was super easy to punt $100 on a weekend. Yes, it's harder for pros, but it's harder for sites as well (not that anyone cares.) I do find it interesting that Unibet use a similar and more aggressive model, and games seem good. Also, has a big fan base. WTF, do I know. Next up, Calvin Ayre admits he is still behind it all... In an effort to be more transparent with players.

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I am in no way defending or supporting any of what this or any of the sites have done. But let's be real about things we are unregulated sites. People are mad because it's harder for them to make money. ( makes sense).. Bodog feels it's their business to make these changes.Time will tell. The sad truth is Online poker in the US is in tough shape, and nothing will change until we have open markets with a little competition We are left with changing sites, Playing Live, or quitting.

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Wouldnt be sitting around waiting for this to happen. Its taken tons of years for a couple states to get poker regulated and its crap compared to what the unregulated sites offer. By the time the time we have open markets for online poker not only will the games be even worse the bots and software will likely have completely ruined the games.

Enjoy whats here now its not going to get better online.

The more I play it the more I dislike it. Tables breaking up and playing short constantly, and you never know if there are other tables running. Think this is going to end up being a big blow to the overall traffic. Just withdrew my roll, going to try out some other sites.

This seems largely untrue from what I've seen. Watching JCarver and Doug on Twitch has shown that Stars in NJ and WSOP.com are great options up to 5/10. Perhaps not tournaments (idk, don't watch the tourney streams) but tournaments weren't effected by this change unless it was for the better.

lolz

Yeah bro NJ poker is amazing!

The biggest site there is averaging 130 players a day with a peak of almost 325 a day.

296 is the average online of ALL the sites COMBINED at a time through the week

Its great if u dont play poker and just watch players on twitch though!

Most those players online are playing micro/low limits same as all poker rooms. so yeah LOL NJ poker


http://www.onlinepokerreport.com/998...-room-reviews/

I asked about this a while back and can't find the post:

How many hands can you get in per hour 2-tabling Zone?

I don't have a way to figure it out atm and need the info for some calculations.

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I play in Canada on Bodog. In the Bodog client, when you click on Account and then go to Hand History>Game Transactions, you can request and then download hand history files. Up until yesterday, whenever I would click on Open Hand History File, the file would open in Notepad and I could then save it. Now, some tiny text briefly flashes within the Bodog client, but I am unable to open or save any hand history text file. I have tried re-installing, but it doesn't help.

Has anybody had this problem and found a fix for it?

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Oh ok - I figured it out. For future reference, if you run into a similar problem and find this thread through google searching, here is what happened:

When you click on "Download All" in Bodog's hand history screen, it does in fact download the files to a specific folder. Later, when you click "Open Hand History File", it opens the file from that folder. I had been operating on the assumption that the file wasn't on your computer in any form until you clicked "Open Hand History File." What caused problems was that after I had already clicked "Download All" but not "Open Hand History" on some files, I did a reinstall and deleted everything that was in specific folder where Bodog saves hand histories. When I went to click "Open Hand History File" on a file that had been deleted, of course it wasn't able to open it.

Wouldnt be sitting around waiting for this to happen. Its taken tons of years for a couple states to get poker regulated and its crap compared to what the unregulated sites offer. By the time the time we have open markets for online poker not only will the games be even worse the bots and software will likely have completely ruined the games.

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I certainly would not tell anyone to hold their breath. I'm not sure who said it, but the saying goes " if your business plan relies on Govt. you need a new plan". It's beyond me how slow the wheels turn. CA is a prime example, all these differing fighting over who gets what, or whom not to allow to offer service. I mean WTF people you no market now get it up and running and make your share.

As for the Bots... Yeah it's an issue but history has shown, technology creates a problem it will also provide a solution. We just need people with some guts to make this happen. I mean clearly there is still a market for the product... Let's go already.

NJ is probably the best state to play in. I live there.

You basically will play stars and 888/wsop and party/borgata. Stars is the most amazing poker experience I've ever had, even if they get rid of all rewards. Hell, bovada proved that I can win without rewards. I've never been disconnected at starsnj but that's nothing compared to how feature rich the site is.

Yes, the numbers are small, but some people are better at working a small room. For example, an aspiring headup plo specialist like myself can do quite well. I know that people are definitely clearing over 100k/yr playing on NJ sites. You gotta be awesome of course but those people are out there cause I see them everyday; I just don't have the 60 buy-ins to play that high yet but Ill get there.

One thing is for sure: it is certainly easier to make money in NJ than any other state.

Especially since bovada dried up the well with the rake hike and now this.

For most of the morning, there has been a single $200 full ring NLHE table. Logic would dictate that a partial table should exist as well, since new players unable to get a seat at the main would start another. Not to mention players who like to multi-table. But that hasn't been the case. I'll choose a table, get seated alone, and then sit. A player will come along, see no action, and leave. Two players will come along, and one will inevitably sit out even three handed, not realizing the only way to keep the next visitor from leaving is to have three way action IN PROGRESS. This site needs shills to get the games started.

Bots are only one of the problems. The bots are amazing nowadays though. As we seen they were owning high stakes omaha for awhile now. I'm sure every site has some bots going undetected owning high stakes game right now as we speak. Alot of times its not the sites catching the bots its players so that shows u how good the sites are dealing with it currently.

Software is going to be the biggest problem in the future. You can look at software like pio solver which is amazing compared to software around 5 years ago. Now imagine 5 more years the way technology develops what type of software will be able to be ran on a extra computer. More processing power on future tech and its going to be absurd what type of software comes out.

Theirs going to be a day where you will be able to run a true to life "dream machine" on a 2nd computer most likely within 5 years would be my guess. It might sound like Sci fi now but just watch. Could be some high stakes guy that have dream machines now. Eventually they'll be affordable and wide spread though.

60 Buy-ins for HS HUPLO...Solid BRM