I guess they at least decieded to make sure the emails aren't rude and look like they were written by a 5 year old.


The thing is once you get one skin acting all shady it results in every other skin and the network being tarnished.

There are plenty of people who haven't forgiven microgaming and won't play at ladbrokes despite the fact that skin wasn't corrupt.

The Mail is signed by Monty Barnes. Seems legit.

It's not possible that you played against anyone who was just spewing chips and you thought they were drunk/high/drooling when actually they were fraudsters? You don't have to be a cheater to be on the receiving end of chip dumps - innocent players sometimes get this fraudulent money too, and the site should be investigating to find out if that was the case.

In your run from 1200 to 65000, do any one or two players stick out in your memory as "I need to hire someone to watch those tables and call me whenever that guy shows up?" or was it you just nicely and slowly grinded it up against a wide range of players? I'm not trying to accuse you of anything - either the site is dishonest, or you're probably an innocent bystander being victimized here.

One of the things that probably makes this uncomfortable is the liquidity or lack of it on a small network like this. If it was on Stars there would be no stress that the funds exist to be paid out.

The failure to produce the HH's by the companies part screams cover up. Lack of funds or just wanting to take them could be explanations.

The longer this goes on without even the HH being produced...UGH I dont think you are going to get your money...

If he won fraudulent funds its the sites problem, not his, assuming he was unaware of cheating. Making it his problem is a really unethical and gutless move, and a good way for a site to lose all hs regs

I don't get the insolvent defense...there should NEVER be a solvency problem with player funds....player deposits money, room collects rake out of it as they play, balances go up and down based on their play in direct proportion to another players balance going up or down.

As the Full Tilt case has brought to light, if those funds are being used for anything other than cashing players out it should be nothing less than fraud. This is the reason online poker is in the state it is today. Funds should be verified before they are allowed to be used. These smaller sites seem to actually look to capitalize on illegal funds being used to justify cash grabs.

Other than Stars and maybe Party it appears that the majority of sites/networks do not seperate players funds from funds used for day to day operations. With US serving networks it is very easy to do this and cry processor problems. A network like Cake or even Merge come to mind. 4 to 6 weeks for checks is awful.

Action Poker does not serve USA Market but BOL which IS on their network does. I cant see a small network like this keeping day to day operational funds seperate from players funds

This, IMO.

Still catching up on this thread but I knew this would be their response. Even though it's painfully obvious they are on the Action Poker Network both APN and BetOnline still deny that is the case and will at every possible opportunity.

There are tons of players, and even more importantly respected affiliates that have not been paid by APN.

And who is Monty Barnes ?

I find no information of that name after searching .

1) I obviously do not have the hands in front of me so I can not be sure for sure, but I think I played a small majority of 6max hands over HU hands.

2) Out of the people I played heads up, they were just random fish nothing weird about them no one who was doing something really weird and just giving his money away where I would be waiting around all day for him or something like that.

3) The only player I remember specifically playing HU because I played him the most HU out of anyone on the site I think is a guy who was your normal/standard bad fish and he liked to buy into my HU tables (and other regs HU tables) for the minimum 10bb buy in (BetOnline allows 10bb min buy in on there tables). I played him between 2000nl and 10000nl for a decent amount of times/sessions. If I had to guess I would say at the most I won $10,000 off him over all the times we played, but do not even think it was that much and would guess I won more around $6,000 off him playing 2000nl-10000nl

4) There was no player I played who was acting super weird or was obviously trying to chip dump.

5) I still have not recieved the hand histories from BetOnline. SBR got back to me this morning saying they recieved something from BetOnline yesterday and would be get back to me as soon as they finish the audit. Seems like it is taking a very very long time .... and still neither them or BetOnline has produced any hand histories.

Thanks for the suggestion guys I just contacted casinomeister.

Yet another poker room with cashflow problems.

THIS!!!!


SBR wont even comment on the refusal of the site to hand over the entire HH.....


Looks like the B+ rating paid for itself for BOL

Mighty I went ahead and asked the question myself on SBR, hopefully I will get a response from them.

I'd be surprised, very surprised if SBR helps you out.

SBR takes sides with those who pay them.

They will do the same with BO. As long as they continue to get money from BO, they don't care about your outcome.

I got banned permanently from that site for saying "Tony (from 5dimes) must give SBR some good sex since they always defend them"

Which is true.

/pray my withdrawal goes through

Indeed, I've heard of some affiliates that were not paid by APN, which I agree does make them corrupt. I've yet to hear of a single player that hasn't eventually been paid though. There are many complaints of withdrawals taking up to several months, but can anyone here confirm they have not eventually received their funds from APN?

Keep it small and it will

1. 2+2, please ban sufferinsuccotash forever;

2. Everybody, isn't this a problem caused by US DOJ? Did this ever happen on 'Stars or FTP? Doesn't driving out large providers guarantee that players will be victimized by shady, small networks? The US government is the dedicated enemy of US poker players.

3. SBR is whorish.

ridic, what are thy doing???? modifying the HH??

SBR limited my account to 1 post per 100 minutes making their forum pretty much unusable for me now - I've been a member of their forum since 2007 and never said boo negative about them on the forum until this latest BetOnline and Legends issues. Its a shame so many people put so much stock in their ratings because its now clear their strategy is to report every issue about all sites that don't pay them not to, while using that to boost up those sites they're financially affiliated. At least some players do get assisted in the process.

Anyways GL to OP - this is the one I went down swinging for and am now limited pretty much to choosing a few posts per day, so very much hope you get paid.

SBR has a history of not giving bad reviews to people who advertise with them.

Nothing new.

Prop, thank for the help on SBR.

Hi Greg, what step should you do now since Betonline will not release the HH? Are u gonna contact another Sportbook forum or hire a lawyer. Let me know. THanks

If I have a ton of money on a site like this, I would never try to withdraw more than $5K.

There just gonna freak out and say you cheated or something. It's a shame.

I know it's a pain and there are extra fees, but I would just make smaller withdrawal attempts.