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02-13-2012 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonRyan
Hey all,

I really hoped it would not be necessary to post here, especially after David's post, but it seems that the craziness won't stop.

First and foremost, I can tell you 100% that the tickets are not just being created out of thin air. Without going into too much detail into the inner workings of the systems, I can say that all tickets are created by Merge, via their internal systems, and are audited and accounted for by Merge directly. They can trace and account for every ticket that is currently active in the system.

Someone is ultimately paying for the tickets. Either the skin, the affilaite, or the players. Also, the affiliates cannot get the tickets 'discounted' as I saw in one post a while back. Every ticket has a cost, and that cost is fully accounted for in the prizepool of the tournament it is used to enter.

If there is account sharing or softplaying, then those issues need to be investigated by the security team, but as I seem to remember, that has also been ruled out as well, correct?

This now leaves no substantial, viable issues left. All there is now is the feeling of being 'left out'. While that may hurt personally, I don't think it is really worth discussing for another 500 posts.

Ryan
As everyone asks proof from me I would like proof for this. I still do not believe you, and even if the tickets are not coming out of thin air I still have a problem. Also is there anyway Merge can post the players account's name who are being credited tickets? If every ticket is actually being accounted for seeing a bunch go out at a time would not be too hard to spot. I do not think this is too big of a request.
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02-13-2012 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by evechad
they offered me to play on Lorainne, but i declined. i probably should have mentioned that earlier, but this post kinda jogged my memory. No one believes me in this thread anyway.
So i was not out of the loop, i may be now though after this thread.

OK, now here is something that is actually an issue.

You are now claiming that they offered you the opportunity to use their account (presumably for some cost to you), and freeroll by using the tickets they are given?

If this is actually true, then it needs to be investigated by Merge security.

Ryan
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02-13-2012 , 08:02 PM
I would agree that CarbonRyan's post addresses the issues outside of collusion/softplay/multiple players on one skin accusations, which as said should be addressed with Merge security.

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Originally Posted by CarbonRyan
Someone is ultimately paying for the tickets. Either the skin, the affilaite, or the players. Also, the affiliates cannot get the tickets 'discounted' as I saw in one post a while back. Every ticket has a cost, and that cost is fully accounted for in the prizepool of the tournament it is used to enter.
However, the highlighted portion should still be a concern to Carbon IMO, if this is a staking deal rather than a straight ticket giveaway. While I don't for a moment have any reason to believe that the site would somehow be altering results for the players in question, an arrangement like this will give players cause for concern. Skins having a financial interest in the players' results is asking for trouble IMO.

However, if a skin or skins is strictly giving tickets for some promotional reason, I don't see an issue.

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Originally Posted by zekenasty
so there would be no problem with feltstars being audited then?
Not sure why you'd ask a rep from another skin about this.
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02-13-2012 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonRyan
Hey all,

I really hoped it would not be necessary to post here, especially after David's post, but it seems that the craziness won't stop.

First and foremost, I can tell you 100% that the tickets are not just being created out of thin air. Without going into too much detail into the inner workings of the systems, I can say that all tickets are created by Merge, via their internal systems, and are audited and accounted for by Merge directly. They can trace and account for every ticket that is currently active in the system.

Someone is ultimately paying for the tickets. Either the skin, the affilaite, or the players. Also, the affiliates cannot get the tickets 'discounted' as I saw in one post a while back. Every ticket has a cost, and that cost is fully accounted for in the prizepool of the tournament it is used to enter.

If there is account sharing or softplaying, then those issues need to be investigated by the security team, but as I seem to remember, that has also been ruled out as well, correct?

This now leaves no substantial, viable issues left. All there is now is the feeling of being 'left out'. While that may hurt personally, I don't think it is really worth discussing for another 500 posts.

Ryan
There are issues. The Terms of Service says that no affiliate or employee can back players. Yet on RPMs website there is a backing tab. When I tried to get answers from RPM about it, I got the answer of,"I'm sorry you feel this way."
This has nothing to do with my feelings. It has everything to do with skins breaking their own Terms of Service. Can you please elaborate on how it is ok for an employee or affiliate to back players?

Also the bolded in first paragraph is very similar to any answer i get from any rep I have dealt with. I believe if we are leaving the amounts of money on the Merge(Skin) Network, Then we have a right to know if everything is on the up and up.
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02-13-2012 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by evechad
they offered me to play on Lorainne
That's pretty gross if true.

Still wondering why the horses in question are unwilling to answer questions?

Maybe there is no ticket scam. Maybe the deals are clean. But the horses don't want to open themselves up for a basic Q&A. Because something else might come out of it.

It seems like the lack of an interest to clear your name of serious allegations is an indication of an urge to not open another can of worms. It just doesn't seem like this was handled the way a person that has nothing to hide would have.

Why would anyone handle these kind of issues by not engaging in a discussion? Smells like something is amiss.

It takes 5 minutes to answer some questions. You can either think they don't care about it or you could think they don't want people to ask tough questions that could lead to other revelations.

And if there are no revelations to be found, then answer the questions and get it over with.
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02-13-2012 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Aznpowr11
Please repeat in case I missed this. Why?
- the sharing of accounts(proof of which was posted earlier on page like 4 or 5 in my AIM convo with llllllllllllll when he was at my 100c table)
- the fact that a breakeven ticket player will make more than a winner player.
-skins should not back players, its horrible ethics and makes the games feel fake. I do not believe in the superusing at all though.
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02-13-2012 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Aznpowr11
They're probably audited internally (maybe I'm wrong). Are you asking for a public (or 2p2) audit?
They need an external audit. With all the **** that happened at ftp it's pretty easy to cook the books and make it appear as though all the funds are available. I doubt they would give anyone at 2+2 their financials to read but I'm sure that myself and a few others that have a finance/accounting background could easily review their financial statements and make sure everything was kosher. They really should just pay a public company to do it and have them post the information about what the audit reveals.

Bobo trying to get through to someone at feltstars is basically impossible and a rep from another skin can obviously get a hold of the right people at merge to make sure everything is fine at feltstars.

The only reason I'm concerned about this is if feltstars has some sort financial troubles then it could effect all the other skins and players funds available.
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02-13-2012 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by zekenasty
They need an external audit. With all the **** that happened at ftp it's pretty easy to cook the books and make it appear as though all the funds are available. I doubt they would give anyone at 2+2 their financials to read but I'm sure that myself and a few others that have a finance/accounting background could easily review their financial statements and make sure everything was kosher. They really should just pay a public company to do it and have them post the information about what the audit reveals.

Bobo trying to get through to someone at feltstars is basically impossible and a rep from another skin can obviously get a hold of the right people at merge to make sure everything is fine at feltstars.

The only reason I'm concerned about this is if feltstars has some sort financial troubles then it could effect all the other skins and players funds available.

this^^^^^^^
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02-13-2012 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by evechad
- the sharing of accounts(proof of which was posted earlier on page like 4 or 5 in my AIM convo with llllllllllllll when he was at my 100c table)
Send your information to Merge security, your skin representative, mods on 2p2, reputable posters on 2p2. This has nothing to do with the tickets if they are financially accounted for.

So I still do not know why you feel:

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Originally Posted by evechad
and even if the tickets are not coming out of thin air I still have a problem.
Next:

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Originally Posted by evechad
- the fact that a breakeven ticket player will make more than a winner player.
This makes no sense. I ask again, if I back someone at 60/40 no makeup for this with 1 bullet for an infinite sample, what am I doing wrong?

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Originally Posted by evechad
-skins should not back players, its horrible ethics and makes the games feel fake. I do not believe in the superusing at all though.
It's been repeated several times the affiliate is backing the players, not the skin. Both affiliates or skins backing players is debatable, but a skin backing players seems a lot more questionable than an affiliate backing players (IMO).
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02-13-2012 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by zekenasty
They need an external audit. With all the **** that happened at ftp it's pretty easy to cook the books and make it appear as though all the funds are available. I doubt they would give anyone at 2+2 their financials to read but I'm sure that myself and a few others that have a finance/accounting background could easily review their financial statements and make sure everything was kosher. They really should just pay a public company to do it and have them post the information about what the audit reveals.

Bobo trying to get through to someone at feltstars is basically impossible and a rep from another skin can obviously get a hold of the right people at merge to make sure everything is fine at feltstars.

The only reason I'm concerned about this is if feltstars has some sort financial troubles then it could effect all the other skins and players funds available.
AuntJulie,

I would love for a public company to audit Merge. Do I think it will happen? No. Keeping your money on any internet gaming site at this point (especially if your $ is not on a publicly traded company, or you are in the US still), there exists an underlying risk. It's up to each individual player to assess that risk of keeping X amount of $ online, vs the rewards of using that $ for playing/staking.

Sure would be nice to have a public audit. Just don't think it happens as the drop of a dime, or 2p2 asking. (unfortunately)
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02-13-2012 , 08:24 PM
If anyone has a question directly for me please ask it and I will answer it to the best of my ability. Keep in mind i do not work for Feltstars nor do I have any access to their audits.
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02-13-2012 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by zekenasty
so there would be no problem with feltstars being audited then?
Merge internally audit all aspects of their business. I know that each skin can also audit their real money activity (real money adjustments made to accounts, tickets credited, etc) so even if some rogue employee was giving away tickets without authorisation from the skins ownership, they would not be able to do it with it for a sustained period of time, as the skins ownership would know right away.

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Originally Posted by evechad
As everyone asks proof from me I would like proof for this. I still do not believe you, and even if the tickets are not coming out of thin air I still have a problem. Also is there anyway Merge can post the players account's name who are being credited tickets? If every ticket is actually being accounted for seeing a bunch go out at a time would not be too hard to spot. I do not think this is too big of a request.
While I appreciate you may feel that you are owed more information, it simply isn't going to happen.

All funds from prizepools have been correctly credited to players accounts that have won them, as detailed many times over in the thread already. That in itself is pretty solid evidence that the tickets have been paid for.

I think that both David and I (who work for competing skins to not only one another, but also to the skin you are accusing), have offered you an insight to the inner workings of the process, which in theory should be enough for you to acknowledge there may not be as big of an issue as you initially thought.

I think that this is about as much as I can offer to this issue.

Ryan
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02-13-2012 , 08:25 PM
The chad is a ****...but really why would ricky or swish play on merge when they are in mexico...Unless they could free roll the **** out of everyone involved and makeup free. Also never deposit their own money. Its +ev for the affiliate i guess cause they are decent high stakes mtt regs n he expects them to bink eventually...he ships tickets for backing which he probably can convert from his revenue share that he receives from the skin..

cliffs
1. the affiliate is clearly degen/greedy/semi-smart (trying to bink mtt's with his rev share)
2. affiliate is likely violating the TOS since he's getting rev share from the tickets he sends them..and backing them with rev share (in ticket form)..
3. ricky n swish found a +ev situation and took advantage like I would of.
4. We can pout/get jealous/create this ******ed thread but its not stars so even doing so would be a waste of time.

I just wasted my time typing this.

Your welcome.

Last edited by asherma3; 02-13-2012 at 08:28 PM. Reason: gfy merge
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02-13-2012 , 08:33 PM
If the network itself is creating these tickets to events theyre worried might not meet the guarantees, thats kinda shady. No proof whatsoever thats gonig on, but have any of these tickets been for events that dont have guars?

I mean the 100 seats to the 100k kinda does that, but it gives more people an equal chance and is awarding people for volume put in. If true, this is the network not wanting to pay overlay and having the skins find talented mtters to put into the events.

Ryan or anyone else, feel free to correct me if im off base.
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02-13-2012 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
If anyone has a question directly for me please ask it and I will answer it to the best of my ability. Keep in mind i do not work for Feltstars nor do I have any access to their audits.
how many ticket accounts are there that you know of? also do they get rakeback? and if they do get rakeback does ricky get a larger % of the rakeback?
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02-13-2012 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by evechad
- the sharing of accounts(proof of which was posted earlier on page like 4 or 5 in my AIM convo with llllllllllllll when he was at my 100c table)
- the fact that a breakeven ticket player will make more than a winner player.
-skins should not back players, its horrible ethics and makes the games feel fake. I do not believe in the superusing at all though.
so your "proof" is a typed up aim convo by you that you cant find anymore because your dog ate it ???? scroll down ans see my aim convo, ps I cant find it either
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02-13-2012 , 08:39 PM
haha Ruse, that would be a pretty sick scheme. I guess there is some non-zero chance this could be happening, although I'd be inclined to believe the chance of this happening is extremely slim.
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02-13-2012 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
If anyone has a question directly for me please ask it and I will answer it to the best of my ability. Keep in mind i do not work for Feltstars nor do I have any access to their audits.
Has there been any account sharing going on to the best of your knowledge?
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02-13-2012 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by evechad
how many ticket accounts are there that you know of? also do they get rakeback? and if they do get rakeback does ricky get a larger % of the rakeback?
6

yes

no
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02-13-2012 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by deke971
Has there been any account sharing going on to the best of your knowledge?
no
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02-13-2012 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
no
lol
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02-13-2012 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sirswish6
If anyone has a question directly for me please ask it and I will answer it to the best of my ability. Keep in mind i do not work for Feltstars nor do I have any access to their audits.
1. Will you be willing to let a respected member go through the correspondence with the affiliate and the contract terms?

2. Same for transfer and transaction histories for the accounts in question

3. Same for Hand histories

4. Can we get a contact for the affiliate that proposed this deal to you? Not cus I want this deal but we can ask them questions you can't answer.
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02-13-2012 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by evechad
lol
no
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02-13-2012 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chtrssck
1. Will you be willing to let a respected member go through the correspondence with the affiliate and the contract terms?

2. Same for transfer and transaction histories for the accounts in question

3. Same for Hand histories

4. Can we get a contact for the affiliate that proposed this deal to you? Not cus I want this deal but we can ask them questions you can't answer.
another gimmick acc. hiding the truth who he is but wants to see all personal info. lol
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02-13-2012 , 08:53 PM
I think a lot of ppl are making a lot of assumptions and accusations ITT, but seriously, like are aznpower and confirm being paid defense attorney fees or something? Now that we have the ppl of relevance ITT, trolling and arguing with the trolls just clogs stuff up
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