As much as I enjoy playing on merge and didn't want to have to start a new thread, I think a thread outside of the carbon forum addressing the cashout issue is required at this point in time.

I had one of my posts deleted in the carbon forum withdrawal thread where I compared carbon and the current US-facing networks cashout times. Sure, it is a sponsored forum and they can censor such posts if they don't want their customers to know about competitive networks' times but I don't agree with it. (The post comparing networks that was deleted is posted later on in this post.)

The current issue at hand is that carbon is taking close to 8 weeks to even process cashouts.

Not only are the cashouts being processed right around 8 week mark but it is taking another week to even send the check out.

There's another scenario with the stacked checks where say if you win $25K and request 10 $2500 (max.) checks, maybe you get priority in offloading funds, see this post:



However, not everyone has $25K ready for stacked checks.

Here's an example for most cases:

If you win say $2500 and want to cash it out on April 1st, it's taking a 8-9 weeks for that and you will receive it on May 31st. Meanwhile, say you win $2k and request a check on May 1st, that will take another 8 weeks after May 31st and you will receive that on July 31st.

Essentially, its $2500 max. every two months currently or $15k/year.

In comparison, here's how the other networks are doing. This is also what was deleted from Carbon forum:

1. Bodog:
No p2p transfers. Average Cashout time: 12 days


2. WPN: BCP/ACR

p2p transfers available. Debit Card cashouts available. Average debit card cashout time: 4 days. Average Check cashout time: 2 weeks

Keep in mind, such fast cashout times on top of p2p transfers feature being made available is huge.


3. Revolution: Intertops

It is well known that intertops has speedy cashouts but not much public data is available as the intertops rep discourages posting such info.

See here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...4&postcount=21

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=27

Key is intertops players have not indicated any slowdown in cashouts.

Carbon is going down the path of lock (10 weeks or more), when it comes to cashouts.

A lot of people are now starting to notice and complain about this issue at carbon:



Hopefully this is a temporary delay at Carbon. I'll be the first to have this thread locked once Carbon improves on their cashouts times, either through finding new, faster processors or get the network to reintroduce the transfers feature or both. But until then, status quo of 8 weeks is unacceptable. Sure, black friday etc but they should take a look at the other networks.

Feel free to post any pertinent info. here if your posts in the sponsored carbon forum are likely to be or have been deleted.

Keep the discussion here to let Carbon know they need to find better processor solutions.

Bolded is false.

Go ahead and provide your estimates if you are so sure it's false.

Bolded is what has happened in my case as well as many others linked in op.

Fact is I am talking from personal experience and I had two checks process initially in 3 weeks and the next one is taking 8 weeks after 2 have already been processed. So it's not like there is a stacked system, it basically resets to 8 weeks for every new cashout.

Many links have been provided with people in similar situation. Provide some links to expand on what you're trying to say. Feel to paint an accurate picture on exact cashout times.

One sentence random statements without any details are not for this thread.

As mentioned in op, this thread is aimed at getting carbon up to par with the cashout times of their competition.

That took me 30 seconds to prove you wrong, here is something you are talking about that is nearly the exact scenario I said was false.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4066

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4176

Requested about a month apart, and not seperated by the full amount of time.

EDIT: I literally clicked on some random page in the withdrawal thread, lol. I'm sure if you tried you could find many many more.

Did you even read what I just wrote?

Clearly stated I had two checks processed as well in 3 weeks like the links you posted.

The next check now is near 8 weeks. It should also be 3 weeks like a consistent pattern and things would be fine.

Fact is there has been a recent slowdown, either due to processor issues or whatever other issues they are having.

Feel free to post links to a similar pattern for months of February and March. You can take 30 seconds or 3 hours, just don't click on random pages because as I said, it is a new problem since February.

We both want it to work the same way but I'm not trying to rake them over the coals. I am just starting this thread now so there's a discussion outside of carbon forum where posts are deleted for similar messages as OP and so hopefully, carbon keeps working on finding better solutions and not let 8 weeks become status quo.

The monday batch was for 2/4 and last week they processed some 2/3 requests where checks were actually sent out this week.

Hopefully it won't continue for 3 months or more and as said in op, I'll be the first to get this thread locked as soon as they come up with better solutions. Till then, this thread is an alternative place to discuss because posts get deleted in sponsored forums for such issues.

You have no way of knowing how it will most likely work and if this is a slowdown for next a few weeks or a few months.

The estimates I provided are the facts of the current situation and how it will look like if this continues.

If it changes, then the main purpose of this thread has been achieved.

Main purposes of this thread having been achieved is not same as saying this thread would have resulted in those changes.

This thread is also not for people making random statements without detailed knowledge of the situation and doing 30 second searches of random pages.

This thread is for people who want carbon to work on better solutions as well as post thoughts because their posts could be or have been deleted by carbon.

Thought I informed that to you about a few times already and now you're just derailing this thread now.

Hopefully it's a blip. As mentioned I'd be the first to get it locked.

But when you compare 12 day average checks for bodog and 4-14 days for WPN, carbon with it's 56 days is no where near and this is also after the merge network shut down p2p transfers as well as consolidated after hero and bcp had to leave merge.

It is a step back with cashout times and there is going to be some discussion about it outside of carbon forum, especially when they delete posts that raise such issues.

Also, MH linked this thread to me which is an interesting read in itself:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...1&postcount=67

We're talking about as of today, carbon is taking 8 weeks and showing other signs of concern.

Everyone knows there's fluctuations but this thread is not about that.

I'll just report your posts for derailing because now you're getting off topic. Start your own thread to tell people bodog was slow earlier or there's fluctuations with processing or whatever it is you're trying to prove, after linking to posts from 3 months ago by random searches without getting that this thread is about recent issues.

If carbon started taking 100+ days for ROW then I would be worried. ROW get's paid fast.

While the checks have been slower than other U.S. networks (even pre-BF) they have given 0 indications that they have a cash problem.

Hopefully they don't have one. As mentioned in op, I enjoy playing on merge.

However, I'd rather start a thread posting content deleted in carbon forum, in hopes of improved processing times and for carbon to get on par with their contemporaries than wait 6 months of 8 weeks processing each time for a solitary check and then start a thread.

Obviously, threads can be locked as and when situation improves.

Carbon is solid and will only benefit from the Revolution collapse, my check times from the new cashier are 58, 52, 57, 42, 40, 51 days, ticked up slightly on the last one but these times are good enough for an B+ rating in this climate. Coupled with the fact you can stack them and receive 10K in a little over a month is pretty impressive. Not as good as Intertops, but their software is junk and their network is collapsing. Not as good as Bodog but anonymous play and lack of sync breaks aren't for most people including serious fish, and they might leave the US market any minute. The players will flock to Carbon because they have no choice so the player base is solid. RoW cashouts are fine, this is as good as it gets pre-legislation.

Who has waited 6 months for a check? The fact that WPN, BOV and TOPS pay fast is great.

Carbon has never really been any different than they are now. I have played on Carbon since 2009 and I can give you a rough timeline if how things have been here

2009 thru 2011 I used usemywallet for cashouts. They took 5 days max I believe and you could get $2500 off. Pre-black friday if you requested a check they took even LONGER than they are taking now.

IMO this is a sign of security NOT a network that is unable to play their players. A

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Checks are actually faster right now than they were Black Friday for U.S. players in most cases.

People used to cashout VIA transfers but I believe since most of these Merge sites moved their license to Antigua they were forced to halt P2P. I think that is the reason but someone else with more knowledge than me can chime in on this.

So now you are left with checks. In December 2012 some of these were coming in 7-14 days. Now it is more along the line of 6-8 weeks for U.S. Players and in some cases up to 9 weeks for the check to arrive. I would love to see them improve these speeds but at the same time I am sure they are being very very calculated with these "batches" for security reasons and for me as a player I am fine with that. I would rather feel the network is doing the best thing with the funds rather than setting up something that won't work.

Now also keep in mind some of these sites have restrictions for the amount of funds Sktill and Netteller will let them process per month. When U.S. players were just selling off their funds the skrill delays were 2-4 weeks because from what I was told there was a cap on the amount of stuff they could process to Skrill.

Since P2P were halted the times for ROW have drasticly improved and most are getting their funds super quick.


As far as checks go if you stack them you can get them faster. if you don't then obv you will have to wait until they process. Will they speed up maybe? Will they slow down? I hope not.


But I do know that they have been super consistent with paying out players since they opened their doors and the processing times they tell you have been pretty much spot on. They don't come out and tell u XX days for a cashout and then leave you waiting like a site like lock. '

That said , I don't believe there is a "slow cashout" issue. When they start getting behind and don't pay in a timely fashion or when they say they will then you can gripe. The fact that other networks pay faster doesn't mean it is an "issue". It may be an issue for some players but they are not coming out and telling you one thing and doing another

So you give 57 day cashouts a B+ rating and also think this is as good as it gets and want to speculate on what will happen to other networks but some of us don't want to settle for 8 week cashouts, again when other networks process in 1/4th that time and will voice those sentiments at an alternative platform outside of the sponsored carbon forum.

You grade like that teacher in 4th grade who gives everyone at least a B for participation. I would give those times at best a D, one grade away from being a scam and Ponzi scheme. Note that cashout times are getting worse as fewer and fewer people play on this dying network. I was told last year that the only reason Bovada/ACR offer such fast cashouts is because their player pool is so much smaller than Merge. I guess we can see now that was complete bull ****, as traffic has fallen sharply over the past couple of years, yet cashout speeds have gotten worse. The most likely reason, to me, is that they need new deposits to cover the withdrawals. In that case, I would withdrawal everything now, as I don't see why anyone would want to join here over the alternatives.

i still play carbon just for the software. ACR software is a joke i don't know why they won't put some money into their software and upgrade it then they would crush the US Market for the next year.

Did you read what I posted? I said I'd rather post now than wait 6 months of status quo and then post same info.

Of course you're fine with it because you're not experiencing 8 week delays with your stacked checks. You're, in fact, receiving checks every two weeks or so. The majority of people play some and then cashout when they win. Having to wait 8 weeks every time for a check is not something that's appealing.

Reason for this thread is so that the deleted content in carbon forum gets a platform. I'm sure they're being "calculated for security" but the other purpose of this thread to compare other networks and get the player base to more actively demand faster cashouts.


Are you really saying people wouldn't stack checks if they could? For people who don't have $10K to cash out each week, the way it's happening is if they win $2500, cashout, win another $2K, two weeks later and want to cashout. It's not two weeks, it's another 8 weeks.

The whole stacking checks thing shouldn't even be an issue anyway. On most sites, including aforementioned US-facing sites, you cash out when you want and not have to calculate if this time around there will be an 8 week delay or 9 weeks.


Just because they don't give a false time frame (which is getting close to false as some people are getting close to 9 weeks) doesn't make it ok for everyone to accept 8 week cashouts.

For you, 8 weeks is a non-issue maybe because you aren't waiting for 8 weeks to receive a check but it certainly is for others which makes this very much a slow cashout issue.

You're more patient then than a lot of people if you're cool with 8 weeks as long as Merge is upfront about it.

Many people still want faster processing even if merge stays true to the 6-8 weeks time frame. Subjective, I suppose, what people are comfortable with.

There's definitely no harm in voicing these opinions, especially if they're being deleted in the sponsored forum.

Obviously, respect your overall take on the situation, especially because of your experience with these networks.

Ya I would love faster times as would everyone I think. But if I wasn't cool with the 8 weeks I wouldn't play or bet there.

I do know that if I had to pick which U.S. network would be around the longest I would put my money on Merge and it isn't even close.

I would hope so.

I enjoy playing on merge and primarily play on there and would continue to but improved cashout times would go a long way with a lot of people in deciding that merge is the place for them.

OP I used to be mad like you for the long waits but really there is nothing that can be done. If you don't like it don't play. They tell us upfront it will be 6-8 weeks so what more do you want them to do?

So you evaluated the posts as op being mad and recommend people to not play. OP is about getting more people to play as a result of improved cashouts.

If it wasn't clear yet, OP wants them to improve cashout times.

are you stupid? it takes 6-8 weeks to get checks processed. they are very clear about this.

want your money quicker? want to hustle 24/7 trying to make deals with payment processors? apply for a job at carbon. im sure they have people doing this full time in order to allow you to gamble on their website and receive money in 6-8 weeks.

Stay out of this thread and stick to starting threads like these where you ask how old david oppenheim is? You have nothing meaningful to contribute here.

I'm on sportsbook and have been waiting over 8 weeks, this stinks

initial request 1/28

I got an email on 3/19 from sportsbook saying this:

"We are pleased to inform you that your withdrawal ) has been processed.

To view your withdrawal details and tracking information go to the Cashier area. Under the Account History tab select Transaction Type: Withdrawals.

If you have any further queries do not hesitate to contact us"

THEN on 3/26 I got this email from sportsbook support:

We refer to your account and are pleased to confirm that your withdrawal Trans ID: xxxx for $xxxx has been sent. Unfortunately we do not have a tracking number on this occasion but you should be receiving your package shortly.

If you have any questions regarding this or any other matter do not hesitate to contact us.

Yours sincerely,
The Withdrawals Department "

This was weird b/c I thought my check was sent out last week as opposed to yesterday

so.... I do hope I get my check this week, because next week is week # 9 I will update when checks in hand

Ouch, hopefully soon.

Keep us posted.

You act like they are purposely making us wait this long. In case you didn't know it isn't exactly easy to get US players their money and it can take time. What do you really want them to do? What is your solution to the problem? Faster cash out times is not an answer.

There's a reason the comparisons to other networks have been provided, to indicate how much time it is taking other networks.

Also, feel free to post how long have you been waiting for a check currently or are you enjoying ROW speeds? We get you don't have an issue with 8 week cashouts. That doesn't mean everyone is going to settle for that.

As mentioned earlier, there's two main purposes of this thread:

a. To have a thread outside of carbon forum to discuss issues that may be deleted in a sponsored forum
b. To get carbon to implement cashout systems similar to those of other networks.

Do mention which one of these you have a problem with. And since you've said that you've decided b is not going to happen, then there's nothing more you can add here.

This thread is for the rest of us who believe carbon can improve on these times.