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Old 05-26-2011, 05:59 AM   #346
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You are either a troll or an ignoramus. I won't be wasting my time with either and yes, go ahead, claim victory.
No. Actually, I concede. I have no more time, energy and interest in this victory. It's yours. Enjoy.

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Old 05-26-2011, 06:16 AM   #347
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I do think I agree with Alex Scott that PS Steve's post about FT might have been over the line. Clearly Alex seemed to think so too as that was the post that pushed him into outing Steve and Isai.
Just to be clear, it was not PokerStars Steve that made the post in question, it was PS-StephenW under the alias Robby Box (whose other posts are worth a look). Bear in mind that PokerStars has a clear policy which prohibits employees from spreading misinformation or trashing the competition. PM me any questions.
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Old 05-26-2011, 06:24 AM   #348
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Just to be clear, it was not PokerStars Steve that made the post in question, it was PS-StephenW under the alias Robby Box (whose other posts are worth a look). Bear in mind that PokerStars has a clear policy which prohibits employees from spreading misinformation or trashing the competition. PM me any questions.
it does look like his posts are certainly more unethical than those made by the mbpoker account.
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Old 05-26-2011, 06:41 AM   #349
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It's pretty irresponsible to be attaching Isai's name to the account like it's a fact, mods especially.
If you read this entire thread and still made this post then it's time to go back to the critical thinking drawing board.

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Old 05-26-2011, 06:45 AM   #350
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money - ... In other words, it feels to me like you possibly do understand the counterpoints to your views and the questions you are ask and are just kind of pretending like you don't.

Curious if other posters have that impression as well.
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Old 05-26-2011, 06:50 AM   #351
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-In another thread Stars' head of security posts under an anonymous account pointing out contradictions in FTP's public statements and encourages players to file complaints to FTP's licensing body giving them advice on what to say and how to do it.

-Former Stars employee, now FTP employee, is irked by post and begins outing Stars shill accounts. Including the head of security as above, and mbpoker as being Isai Scheinberg, the owner and founder of Stars.

-Isai has been posting anonymously for nearly a decade on 2+2 praising Stars while artfully implying he is a player without explicitly saying as much.

-Stars 'advocates' dispute it is him, but ultimately accept it is.

-Discussion ensues on whether what he did was right or wrong. Opinions are mixed and generally seem to agree it was wrong but not necessarily harmful.

-People are able to out his old identities on rec.gambling newsgroup due to information gleaned from his mbpoker posts and name. His pre-stars postings provide interesting insight into an otherwise very opaque figure. These newsgroup postings also provides absolute proof that mbpoker is indeed Isai Schienberg.

-Stars 'advocates' try to semantically argue the definition of a shill and successfully hijack thread.

-approx yards requests cliffs
This is one of the clearest and imo fairest cliffs posts I've seen on 2p2.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:06 AM   #352
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Just to be clear, it was not PokerStars Steve that made the post in question, it was PS-StephenW under the alias Robby Box (whose other posts are worth a look). Bear in mind that PokerStars has a clear policy which prohibits employees from spreading misinformation or trashing the competition. PM me any questions.
im not sure what "misinformation" you see here.

A poster went to the AGC with a valid concern -- ftp either is now or was lying about account segregation and refuses to account for the player money that it isnt returning to americans.

AGC blew him off, saying it wasnt a valid complaint against the operator. Which is pretty disgusting, since theyre effectively saying "We're not going to intervene and stop ftp from misappropriating players money. Its not our job"

RB responded - yes it is -0- here is the valid complaint you should submit.

Not only is it not misinformation, its great advice. Everyone with money on FTP should be doing exactly what RB said in that thread.

Here's what seems odd to me -- you've posted twice on this topic, once itt and once to out MBpoker and friends. You have clearly indicated that you feel "misinformation is being spread". Well, they say sunlight is the best disinfectant. Enlighten us with the real information, then you wont have to be worried about the misinformation.

If thats your real concern, correcting the info in RB's post seems more productive conter strategy than outing his account as a stars employe.

Or here's a novel idea. Stop lying about where the players' money is. Stop dodging the very valid questions players are asking because you wont pay them. Or better yet, just pay them and they wont care to ask the questions. IMO, robby box isnt trashing FTP. FTP is trashing FTP.

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Old 05-26-2011, 07:07 AM   #353
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In b4 Alex Scott haters.

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Old 05-26-2011, 07:09 AM   #354
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:43 AM   #355
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Pokerstars crushed FTP in every way possible
mr alex scott's crying his eyes out right now b/c FTP going bankrupt.

hey mr scott, is FTP gonna pay?
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:54 AM   #356
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Gentleman,
Could we please not derail the thread?
There are other (bunch of) threads about FTP paying or not.

Thanks
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:25 AM   #357
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It's pretty irresponsible to be attaching Isai's name to the account like it's a fact, mods especially.
Adam,
I think it's pretty obvious, at this time, for anyone who's been reading the whole thread, that mbpoker = Isai.

Even people that don't "fully believe it" yet, will probably agree that it's at least very likely that it's Isai.

But yeah, it might be irresponsible to state that it IS him even though it's like 90% likely it's him.


So I ask: Isn't it time for 2p2 mods to look up @ mbpoker's account info? I'm sure that just the e-mail he's used to create his account (or IPs) would confirm, in some way, that it is or isn't him.

Also, the lack of action by the mods parts indicates that 2p2 mods probably know the answer (maybe even knew it already). I really doubt that no mod with this kind of access has seen this thread yet (and if so, 2p2 should at least position themselves on what they're gonna do). I don't mean 2p2 should ban him or something, but I think we as users should have the right to know who was behind those 1500 posts for the last 10 years.

It's surely debatable wether it's good, bad, ethical or unethical for Isai to supposedly post under mbpoker. However, it's far from a standard thing and it deserves some attention by the mods.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:34 AM   #358
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So I ask: Isn't it time for 2p2 mods to look up @ mbpoker's account info?
For what purpose? To satisfy people's curiousity? That isn't something mods should be engaging in at all without a reason, such as a rules violation, which hasn't occurred.

It appears you edited out the ridiculous statement that it's not allowed to be anonymous on forums or to have multiple identities.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:40 AM   #359
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Yea, Marcos, you're being little over the top. You probably should just chill a little. Also, arguing with the only guy that thinks it may not be Isai is not really productive.

We appreciate the time you've spent looking into this, but at the same time there's a wide range of interest about this and it ranges from a lot to none. I'd say the vast majority lies somewhere in between.

BTW, I don't think I'm a scammer or a shill or whatever and I have a gimmik. A self exposed gimmik that's even posted in this thread. It's ok to have a gimmik if you want, as long as you're not doing any monetary transactions with it or anything.
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Spade,
I personally have no curiosity because I know the answer already.

I stated MY opinion. If 2p2 has a different opinion on this matter, I guess we should at least know what it is.

I'd be happy if somebody from 2p2 comes here and say "We don't disclose personal information about our users, everyone has the right to be anonymous on this forum. For this reason, mbpoker can be whoever he is and post anonymously, even if he poses as a Stars customer while being the president of the company - that doesn't break any Forum rules".

I swear I'd be satisfied

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