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Old 01-19-2010, 10:06 PM   #76
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Re: Shortstackers reaction to full tilt policy



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Old 01-19-2010, 10:36 PM   #77
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Or maybe rejoicing! First off, I notice the VPIP of the shallow tables are higher than standard tables. Interesting.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a bunch of the most vocal full stack critics of shortstackers flocking to the shallow 20-40 bb tables since the VPIPs are higher.

They complained about the shortstacks at the 20bb minimum tables when they could have been playing at the 50bb minimum tables. Just wait. As soon as they see they aren't winning more after the short stacks are gone they will need another excuse for why they don't win or win more. And off to chase the fish at the shallow tables they will go.

And then they will probably STILL come here and complain about the shortstacks at the shallow tables.

Just watch.
this obv.

When the fish vote with their feet and go to the cap tables, which they absolutely will, because they play for fun not to lose 100BB at a time, the grinders will follow.
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Old 01-20-2010, 01:07 AM   #78
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i can't decide which post makes less sense... Monkey Banana's post or the post he quoted.
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Old 01-20-2010, 01:38 AM   #79
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Old 01-20-2010, 01:55 AM   #80
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Old 01-20-2010, 02:02 AM   #81
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the reaction = rush tables
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Old 01-20-2010, 02:04 AM   #82
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this obv.

When the fish vote with their feet and go to the cap tables, which they absolutely will, because they play for fun not to lose 100BB at a time, the grinders will follow.
This is pretty wrong. There were virtually no shallow tables running today. For some reason, all the shorties who love the excitement and strategy of playing 20bb and the mythical schools of fish who have fun playing short only managed to start like 20 shallow tables across all stakes.

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Old 01-20-2010, 02:26 AM   #83
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OP, are you expecting a statement similar to the opposing party's reaction to the State of the Union?
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Old 01-20-2010, 03:13 AM   #84
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haha

The first 11 posts in this thread is one of the greatest rushes of Win I've ever seen on 2+2.
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Old 01-20-2010, 03:33 AM   #85
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how would u feel about Stars if in 6-12 months they made an identical change in game structures to what FTP has implemented?
I'd prob propbet against this.
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Old 01-20-2010, 04:32 AM   #86
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Old 01-20-2010, 04:43 AM   #87
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I'd prob propbet against this.
A little OT: How much money did this little kid make, is he the captain of all ratholing scums? And why did a ratholing scum get a custom title on 2p2?
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Old 01-20-2010, 04:48 AM   #88
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I think it's a mistake to assume that SS'ing is so easy that most of the players doing it have a natural edge or can even break-even. Most of them are truly terrible...far moreso than the deeper-stack players who I generally don't profit as much off of (because I suck at poker).
No assumption required. Every tag shortstacker I've looked up on ptr has been breakeven or better post rakeback assuming they have a decent sample(at .5/1 6m). Most of them are small winners(.5-1 ptbb). Even the ones who are way too nitty or a bit too laggy are only small losers or breakeven after fpps(I play on stars). I suppose I could have run well on looking up shortstackers on ptr, but I doubt it.

A calling station/maniac who plays with a 20bb stack doesn't really fall under the shortstacker umbrella. He's a big fish who buys in short.

While it's nice to be able to skim a bit off of mediocre shortstackers and tags such as myself at small stakes, the guys who feed the regs at small stakes are primarily the fish with 10ptbb+ loss rates. If FTP isn't too flooded with full stackers from other sites the games should have a higher fish to reg ratio, making them a bit more profitable. If the number of new full stackers is too high then the game quality(in terms of win rates) won't change much. Stars will presumably have more shortstackers, and a few less full stackers, but probably more shortstackers gained than full stackers lost, so the games get a bit worse. If enough full stackers leave the games stay similar quality(in terms of win rates).

Obviously this change could negatively effect shortstackers on non-ftp sites as well. Anything that makes the fish/reg ratio worse is bad for winning players(and fish), even ones who are good enough to beat the mediocre regs.

I think full tilt chose a very good buy in number at 35bb. It's large enough to significantly alter shortstack play but small enough not to upset most fish. Shortstackers can always learn cap style play and rathole the new 35bb tables if they really want to. There's also a small chance the 20bb tables catch on and there's enough fish that shortstackers can farm those tables for similar win rates, meaning less seepage to other sites.
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:34 AM   #89
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A little OT: How much money did this little kid make, is he the captain of all ratholing scums? And why did a ratholing scum get a custom title on 2p2?
show some respect ffs. and more than you'll make in your life
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:57 AM   #90
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Do you have an ode to him, jglsd adept scum? hahaha
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