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Originally Posted by MicroBob
I think it's a mistake to assume that SS'ing is so easy that most of the players doing it have a natural edge or can even break-even. Most of them are truly terrible...far moreso than the deeper-stack players who I generally don't profit as much off of (because I suck at poker).
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No assumption required. Every tag shortstacker I've looked up on ptr has been breakeven or better post rakeback assuming they have a decent sample(at .5/1 6m). Most of them are small winners(.5-1 ptbb). Even the ones who are way too nitty or a bit too laggy are only small losers or breakeven after fpps(I play on stars). I suppose I could have run well on looking up shortstackers on ptr, but I doubt it.
A calling station/maniac who plays with a 20bb stack doesn't really fall under the shortstacker umbrella. He's a big fish who buys in short.
While it's nice to be able to skim a bit off of mediocre shortstackers and tags such as myself at small stakes, the guys who feed the regs at small stakes are primarily the fish with 10ptbb+ loss rates. If FTP isn't too flooded with full stackers from other sites the games should have a higher fish to reg ratio, making them a bit more profitable. If the number of new full stackers is too high then the game quality(in terms of win rates) won't change much. Stars will presumably have more shortstackers, and a few less full stackers, but probably more shortstackers gained than full stackers lost, so the games get a bit worse. If enough full stackers leave the games stay similar quality(in terms of win rates).
Obviously this change could negatively effect shortstackers on non-ftp sites as well. Anything that makes the fish/reg ratio worse is bad for winning players(and fish), even ones who are good enough to beat the mediocre regs.
I think full tilt chose a very good buy in number at 35bb. It's large enough to significantly alter shortstack play but small enough not to upset most fish. Shortstackers can always learn cap style play and rathole the new 35bb tables if they really want to. There's also a small chance the 20bb tables catch on and there's enough fish that shortstackers can farm those tables for similar win rates, meaning less seepage to other sites.