I agree with this 100%. This would get rid of most scripters overnight if Stars wanted to get rid of them.

PSChris, Thank you for at least making a solid attempt at trying to deal with this problem. That 15 minute video was painful to watch.

THIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSS!!!

Make soo much logical sense, what am i missing??

***** scripters

It's good to have some good news from Amaya.

This fix should solve the "R" problem.

But you know the scripters are just gonna upgrade their scripts, don't you? The next gen of seat-script apps will just scan the tables but won't actually reserve a seat until a known fish sits down. They will still snap-sit when a whale is identified.

"Bum-hunting" will continue for as long as table-selection is available in the lobby.

Hey Chris,

Great to see this thread up. I'm hoping that some bright people on 2+2 will be able to help think of an even better solution.

I imagine that script writers will just change their software so that they don't reserve a seat until the fish has sat but at the very least this will solve the "R" problem. I assume there must be an even better solution though (if banning them is not possible).

that was how script originally worked. they just needed to switch to take seat on (R) because all seats were gone already when you saw who sat down.

its unlikely that scripts will go back to take a seat after you see who sat down. its more likely that people will still try to get the seat when (R) appears, play one orbit and then leave or sit out.

it will drive down the usefulness of scripts a lot (because they are supposed to support you and free valuable brain-time, the complete opposite happens now) but not get rid of them. they should implement the same solution like for table starters then, after you sat down you need to play x-hands, otherwise you would be punished (not sure how).

3x per table makes the concept rather useless.

2 times per 6 hour period is better, as stated by many above. Banning would be best, but doing anything at all is good.

FYP

Good change stars. The 3 times/certain number of hours period won't matter as a table starts with scripters, breaks and is closed out. New table is spawned same 3 times are still left. Actually this is really good for regs who start tables HU provided scripters aren't allowed to be the 3rd guy at the table and sit out when 2 are playing.

Some next lvl strat for regs who play longer sessions is pay attention to see when a table had a lot of reservations before it became a full table. You should want to keep those tables alive longer as the scripters playing there session are more likely to have used up the 3 times


For those regulars at a limit where only 1 table spawns with a single player sitting, the scripts will still get position on the more fun players with this change, it won't make a difference. You can try to combat it by reserving a seat at a new table when a regular tries to start it and then leaving right away/after a few seconds. There are still counters that can be made on both sides doing this but it gives the people not scripting a chance



I like this idea (24 hours sounds better than 1 week)

Hi Chris, sometimes I want to sit down, reserve a seat, but the Pokerstars client prevents me from sitting because I have reached my (self-imposed) table cap. Other times a recreational player might want to sit down but is prevented by the Pokerstars client as he does have enough money in his account [not sure if he gets to reserve a seat though]. And there might be other instances as well that I don't know where a player genuinely wants to sit but is prevented by the Pokerstars server from doing so for various reasons which have nothing to do with seating scripts. Could we please therefore exclude the instances where a player reserves a seat but is prevented by the Pokerstars client to sit down?

I do support the idea otherwise though.

Nice Stars, that's one step in the right direction. But it is a marathon, and that's only the first step

THIS !

Just said in the rules : "Seating script are forbidden".

And stop to say publicy that you can't find them (like you do with the bots). If scripters fear that they can be banned anytime, a lot of them will stop to use it instantly.

Thanks for all the input.

I'd like to reiterate that we understand this step will not fully solve the problem. I understand and appreciate the impatience to move towards a broader solution. But this is a step that we can take quickly that we think will at least improve things.

This project will not end with the implementation of this idea and I will continue to seek input and update progress in this thread as we proceed.

+1 nj stars. please ban scripts completly if possible, they are a pure cancer on the game.

Guys, Stars has told us over and over they do not want to ban scripts for whatever reasons. That is not the purpose of this thread.

So, instead of every second post being 'ban script' focus on what solution they should implement which helps most.

Everything else is waste of everyone's time.

thats interesting!
will follow and keep my fingers crossed for any kind of 'script-banning'

As a script user, I feel I should voice my opinion since most opinions are from non scripters.

I think the new change is great and 3 sounds like a nice number. The script I use actually closes these R loop tables out, or stops reserving until a new player is sat, as these tables don't end up producing a desired player anyway. I find this is mainly a problem at the higher stakes 5/10+

In response to the "ban all scripts instead" opinions, I think you are being a little unfair. Seating scripts are legal just as tracking and similar software is. Just because you do not use a script and they make your life harder is not grounds to ban them. If I choose not to use a tracking software, does that mean I have grounds to feel all tracking software should be banned as well?

Good that Amaya is listening to players concerns. I think the vast majority of players want them banned though. By keeping them, you are damaging the games for no apparent reason.

Obviously bots are banned, and right now tracking software is fine. The site and the players have the option to decide what's banned and what's legal in anyway they deem fit. If we as players want tracking software banned, it will eventually be banned. The only thing that makes them decide things like this, instead of banning, is the cost of enforcement. Ultimately decisions about the game environment are subject to the will of the majority.

2 Reservation limit over 6 hours seems best. A non script using player should almost never be affected by this.

My only worry is something along the lines of if you are sitting at a table alone.

I sit at a 5/10 table alone, no one joins, and I get other games going. I close down the 5/10 to make room on my screen. Some games die down and I join the 5/10 table again, but no one joins and plays with me. Repeat the situation. I could see getting myself banned from the tables even though I never even had the opportunity to play because no one joined me. Does it actually work like this?

I think PokerStars is approaching this the right way by implementing simple and cost effective measures to address the problems that arise from seating scripts. As I mentioned before, even as a script user, I agree with this first to-be implemented measure. Both parties are happy.

The primary reason to ban/prevent/eradicate seating scripts (and what separates them from HUDs) is their impact on the recreational player. The vast majority of this community realize that, as has been demonstrated in the discussions over the years.

Yea, we need to make sure open-sitting and leaving after no action doesn't count.

Open-sitting and then getting booted with no hands played should count though

+1 for 2x every 6hrs

STARS thank you for taking this problem seriously. It's refreshing to see some good news.

I think 3x per 6 hours will change nothing.

even 1-2x will do little - since it's 2 times PER table. Once the scripter takes his seat, he's not going anywhere until his mark is busto.

I think you need to find a different approach to this problem.

To the people simply saying "2x is enough", I don't think you understand how seat scripters operate.

This

and this.

Huh. Scripts barely affect the recreational player. Before there were scripts regs would have a HU table open in the bottom of the screen, and it would still fill up within 5 seconds of a fish sitting. I think one of the largest reasons Stars hasn't done anything about it is because fish don't even notice them.

Scripts are hated because once enough people have them you have to get one yourself, or start tables, or miss out. And once a bunch of people have them then you end up paying a bunch of money to even get an even playing field. I think a lot of anger over scripts is misguided, and should in fact be against the current format which places such a huge emphasis on table selection.

P.S I don't even have a script myself, I don't like zoom either so I put in most of my volume on other sites, not particularly by choice.