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03-17-2014 , 01:49 AM

#7201

Fantaz

adept

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 956

So that PRNG can produce about 20% of the possible permutations of an actual deck?

:/

Spoiler:

03-17-2014 , 02:53 AM

#7202

ebffs

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,919

Got RNG problems?

Spoiler:

03-17-2014 , 08:55 AM

#7203

swc123

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 431

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantaz

So that PRNG can produce about 20% of the possible permutations of an actual deck?

:/

Spoiler:

Dealing a random card from the cards left does not require a perfectly random shuffle of the entire deck.

Also 2^64 is not 20% of 52! its 0.000000000000000000000000000....0000000000000001% .

Obviously actually shuffling the entire deck with a single random number would be silly. You can just, each time you need to deal a card, use a new random number to pull randomly from whats left.

2 ^ 64 ^ 52 >> 52!.

Last edited by swc123; 03-17-2014 at 09:10 AM.

03-17-2014 , 10:45 AM

#7204

obviously.bogus

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,905

In addition to the previously pointed out LOL misunderstanding of Scientific Notation ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantaz

http://www.i-programmer.info/program...algorithm.html

Quote:

If you consider using Knuth Fisher-Yates to shuffle a deck of 52 cards then in principle every arrangement of the deck, i.e. 52! sequences, should occur equally often - but wait! The random number generator is usually only based on 64-bit arithmetic which means it repeats after "only" 264

I kinda doubt that because ... (as that link continues ...)

Quote:

A much better solution would be to use a cryptographic-quality random number generator with a much larger period.

I wonder what Briggs (SwC) uses ???

http://www.briggsoft.com/docs/pmaven...es.htm#shuffle

Quote:

The random number generator uses an RC4 stream cipher ... The stream cipher is seeded with a random 256-bit key ...

So what was the point of you posting that link ???

03-17-2014 , 11:52 AM

#7205

ZeckoRiver

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 5,590

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebffs

Got RNG problems?

Spoiler:

lolz that's bitcoins not dollars im hoping, still getting brigged even if bitcoins that's still 3gs usd

03-17-2014 , 02:25 PM

#7206

kahntrutahn

Minbet Millionaire

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 8,054

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver

lolz that's bitcoins not dollars im hoping, still getting brigged even if bitcoins that's still 3gs usd

Sample size is far too small to draw any real conclusions off of it. FWIW, I'm running above EV in PLO

Variance happens.

--
Kahn

03-17-2014 , 03:15 PM

#7207

Uhrenknecht

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,896

Is there a chance to get your account back if you forgot your password? Changed my "Uhranium" account password after the recent hassle some months ago and totally forgot what the new one was 8[

03-17-2014 , 03:49 PM

#7208

Fantaz

adept

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 956

too small sample size to concluded anything. play 300,000 hands and lose thousands more then we will reevaluate.

03-17-2014 , 04:30 PM

#7209

swc123

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 431

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht

Is there a chance to get your account back if you forgot your password? Changed my "Uhranium" account password after the recent hassle some months ago and totally forgot what the new one was 8[

I forgot mine at some point a while back and had my email address set. I just emailed support and they helped me out.

I think I've seen posts from people who lost it and did not have their email address set and support worked with them to confirm account ownership in other ways (maybe via ownership of bit coin deposit / cash out addresses, idk).

Anyways email support and you should be fine.

03-17-2014 , 04:37 PM

#7210

Skinny Bunner

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 178

What could be the reason for having to enter your password and Google Auth twice in order to play?

03-17-2014 , 06:11 PM

#7211

Jasrace

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 84

Browser won't connect.

03-17-2014 , 07:22 PM

#7212

Jasrace

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 84

Working now.

03-17-2014 , 08:18 PM

#7213

ebffs

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,919

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahntrutahn

Sample size is far too small to draw any real conclusions off of it. FWIW, I'm running above EV in PLO

Variance happens.

--
Kahn

Not trying to conclude the RNG is faulty. Just bored when the servers went down yesterday and felt like posting a funny picture of Micon and complaining about my bad run.

In 2011 I had a run much worse than this. Near 300 BI under EV over an extended hell of a 12 month period. I'd moved down to NL100 to recover and it was over 30k just under EV.

Thx for the serious feedback though Fantaz....

03-17-2014 , 10:52 PM

#7214

Fantaz

adept

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 956

Quote:

Originally Posted by obviously.bogus

In addition to the previously pointed out LOL misunderstanding of Scientific Notation ...

I kinda doubt that because ... (as that link continues ...)

I wonder what Briggs (SwC) uses ???

http://www.briggsoft.com/docs/pmaven...es.htm#shuffle

So what was the point of you posting that link ???

sooo.. does it actually produce 52! permutations then?

03-18-2014 , 08:42 AM

#7215

obviously.bogus

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,905

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantaz

sooo.. does it actually produce 52! permutations then?

Avg # tables: 50
Hands/hour: 100
Years til Death of the Sun: 5,000,000,000

Decks that would be dealt at the current rate before the Sun dies: 2.19E+17
52! = 8.06E+67

Even if everyone on the planet was 24 tabling non-stop till the earth is destroyed, only 9.12E-41% (thats 0.00000....0000912% with 41 zeros) of all possible hands would have been dealt.

Even a computer simulation producing a trillion decks/second would only remove 4 zeros from that number.

So no, no poker system will ever actually produce 52! permutations.

03-18-2014 , 10:31 AM

#7216

RonMexico

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,323

If I cash out directly to some wallet site, do I have to worry about the coins not going back into my account if the xfer bounces for some reason? In other words, is it a best practice to cashout to my local wallet first, or does this not matter?

03-18-2014 , 10:39 AM

#7217

boltonflats

adept

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 735

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonMexico

If it's your wallet is yours doesn't matter where it goes. 34 digit code is a 34 digit code no matter if online, local, etc. BTC transfers never get bounced per say. Obviously make sure the code is correct first.

03-18-2014 , 11:22 AM

#7218

EvilGreebo

banned

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,526

Since my identity is being challenged on SWC, I'm being accused of being Lux, I just want to come out and say that offDahizzy is an idiot.

Anyone who wants to confirm that I am who I say I am need only ask and I will validate across any number of very very old internet accounts.

03-18-2014 , 12:48 PM

#7219

ZeckoRiver

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 5,590

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilGreebo

lolz

03-18-2014 , 09:58 PM

#7220

swc123

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 431

"createRG too many" prevents me from starting new tables pretty much every night. There are often 3+ people in every 6-max waitlist, is there now way for you guys to up the number of allowed tables?

Usually there aren't that many games even running. It seems like this is just costing you money.

03-19-2014 , 09:24 AM

#7221

skinroy

journeyman

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 292

i cant open tables either,but it seems like some can cuz a few do pop up sometimes,idk its weird

also i think evilgreenbo is someone other than himself also ;-)

ofdahizy for swc presidential nominee

03-19-2014 , 12:27 PM

#7222

vistadelnorte

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 16

I'm looking to get started on SWC but I'm wondering how I can get cash back

03-19-2014 , 01:35 PM

#7223

lluboski

centurion

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by vistadelnorte

I'm looking to get started on SWC but I'm wondering how I can get cash back

How do you plan get cash in? Coinbase ?

Useful for Bicoin newbies.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...pli=1&sle=true

03-19-2014 , 01:35 PM

#7224

RonMexico

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,323

Quote:

Originally Posted by boltonflats

So if I cash out, the coins will be sent from the same address as my Seals cash-in address? Just want to make sure there isn't some tricky internal accounting thing going on with a Seals "general fund" or w/e in case the wallet I'm sending decides to send back for some reason (and yes, some wallets have done that before).