Hello,

This is my first post to this forum. I'm sorry if I'm making an issue out of nothing, but I'm worried about this:

Yesterday I asked Partypoker to email me all my hand histories, and most of the histories I got seems to be showing everybodys cards and also the whole deck. Game is 1$ - 6$ buy-in sit'n'gos. Here is an two deals example of what I got:

***** Hand History for Game 8916977231 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting**************89169 77231******end_of_the_skype_highlighting *****
11-46-33:TID:1456322
11-46-33:20/40 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 50217681) Time to Act: 15 Seconds - Sun Feb 14 11:46:34 EST 2010
11-46-33:Table Turbo 1456322 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
11-46-33:Total number of players : 10/10
11-46-33:Seat 1: nOv888 (2000)
11-46-33:Seat 2: Palavala (2000)
11-46-33:Seat 3: Brhyan (2000)|TTIM:1938
11-46-33:Seat 4: vjana (2000)|TTIM:1250
11-46-33:Seat 5: flashhh999 (2000)|TTIM:2444
11-46-33:Seat 6: oroslan (2000)|TTIM:1892
11-46-33:Seat 7: Hansen3333 (2000)|TTIM:1716
11-46-33:Seat 8: PatriceG13 (2000)|TTIM:686
11-46-33:Seat 9: carloLamano (2000)|TTIM:2293
11-46-33:Seat 10: scorpion601 (2000)|TTIM:1883
11-46-33:carloLamano posts small blind (20)
11-46-33:scorpion601 posts big blind (40)
11-46-33:** Dealing down cards **
11-46-33eck:As:Jd:5d:4c:5s:8d:Ad:5c:4s:9s:8s:Js:Qc:Ks: 2s:9d:9c:Tc:8c:Ts:Jc:Kd:7h:Th:Qd:3h:8h:7d:4h:2c:4d :Td:Ah:Jh:9h:6s:2h:Kc:6h:3s:6c:3c:3d:6d:7c:7s:5h:Q s:2d:Kh:Qh:Ac
11-46-33ealt to nOv888 [ As, Jd ]
11-46-33ealt to Palavala [ 5d, 4c ]
11-46-33ealt to Brhyan [ 5s, 8d ]
11-46-33ealt to vjana [ Ad, 5c ]
11-46-33ealt to flashhh999 [ 4s, 9s ]
11-46-33ealt to oroslan [ 8s, Js ]
11-46-33ealt to Hansen3333 [ Qc, Ks ]
11-46-33ealt to PatriceG13 [ 2s, 9d ]
11-46-33ealt to carloLamano [ 9c, Tc ]
11-46-33ealt to scorpion601 [ 8c, Ts ]
11-46-33:nOv888 shown [Fold,Call(40),Raise(80) to(2000)]
11-46-36:flashhh999 selected AO - Fold|TTIM:1983
11-46-40:nOv888 raises (120) to 120 TTIM:5132
11-46-40:Palavala shown [Fold,Call(120),Raise(200) to(2000)]
11-46-42roslan selected AO - Fold|TTIM:1492
11-46-43:Palavala folds|TTIM:2324
11-46-43:Brhyan shown [Fold,Call(120),Raise(200) to(2000)]
11-46-48:Brhyan folds|TTIM:3640
11-46-48:vjana shown [Fold,Call(120),Raise(200) to(2000)]
11-46-50:vjana folds|TTIM:2000
11-46-50:flashhh999 folds|TTIM:0
11-46-50roslan folds|TTIM:0
11-46-50:Hansen3333 shown [Fold,Call(120),Raise(200) to(2000)]
11-46-54:Hansen3333 calls (120) TTIM:3042
11-46-54:PatriceG13 shown [Fold,Call(120),Raise(200) to(2000)]
11-46-56:PatriceG13 folds|TTIM:1716
11-46-56:carloLamano shown [Fold,Call(100),Raise(180) to(2000)]
11-46-58:carloLamano calls (100) TTIM:1841
11-46-58:scorpion601 shown [Fold,Call(80),Raise(160) to(2000)]
11-47-03:scorpion601 folds|TTIM:3104
11-47-03:** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jc, Kd, 7h ]
11-47-03:carloLamano shown [Fold,Check,Bet(40)]
11-47-06:carloLamano checks|TTIM:2278
11-47-06:nOv888 shown [Fold,Check,Bet(40)]
11-47-11:nOv888 bets (200) TTIM:4258
11-47-11:Hansen3333 shown [Fold,Call(200),Raise(400) to(1880)]
11-47-14:carloLamano selected AO - Fold|TTIM:2730
11-47-18:Hansen3333 raises (400) to 400 TTIM:6739
11-47-18:carloLamano folds|TTIM:0
11-47-18:nOv888 shown [Fold,Call(200),Raise(400) to(1880)]
11-47-26:nOv888 folds|TTIM:7473
11-47-26:** Summary **
11-47-26:Main Pot: 800
11-47-26:Board: [ Jc Kd 7h ]
11-47-26:
11-47-26:nOv888 balance 1680, lost 320 (folded)
11-47-26:Palavala balance 2000, didn't bet (folded)
11-47-26:Brhyan balance 2000, didn't bet (folded)
11-47-26:vjana balance 2000, didn't bet (folded)
11-47-26:flashhh999 balance 2000, didn't bet (folded)
11-47-26roslan balance 2000, didn't bet (folded)
11-47-26:Hansen3333 balance 2480, bet 520, collected 1000, net +480
11-47-26:PatriceG13 balance 2000, didn't bet (folded)
11-47-26:carloLamano balance 1880, lost 120 (folded)
11-47-26:scorpion601 balance 1960, lost 40 (folded)

***** End of Hand History for Game 8916977231 *****



***** Hand History for Game 8916960492 *****
11-41-28:TID:1456290
11-41-28:300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 50217154) Time to Act: 15 Seconds - Sun Feb 14 11:41:29 EST 2010
11-41-28:Table Turbo 1456290 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
11-41-28:Total number of players : 6/10
11-41-28:Seat 1: Pacfried (5020)
11-41-28:Seat 2: Palavala (1110)
11-41-28:Seat 4: bjkongen (4180)
11-41-28:Seat 7: frater666 (3600)
11-41-28:Seat 8: Dodgik2010 (5370)
11-41-28:Seat 10: Laurenskers (720)
11-41-28:bjkongen posts small blind (300)
11-41-28:frater666 posts big blind (600)
11-41-28:** Dealing down cards **
11-41-28eck:6s:6c:9c:9s:5c:4d:3d:4h:Ac:Ad:Jc:7h:Js:5h: 7s:5s:4c:9d:2c:Qh:2s:Kd:2h:Ts:Tc:Ah:3s:Kc:8h:8c:Kh :Qd:Qs:8s:6d:7c:9h:4s:Qc:3h:6h:3c:Jh:As:7d:5d:Td:8 d:Th:2d:Ks:Jd
11-41-28ealt to Pacfried [ 6s, 6c ]
11-41-28ealt to Palavala [ 9c, 9s ]
11-41-28ealt to bjkongen [ 5c, 4d ]
11-41-28ealt to frater666 [ 3d, 4h ]
11-41-28ealt to Dodgik2010 [ Ac, Ad ]
11-41-28ealt to Laurenskers [ Jc, 7h ]
11-41-28odgik2010 shown [Fold,Call(600),Raise(1200) to(5370)]
11-41-31:Laurenskers selected AO - Fold|TTIM:2156
11-41-33odgik2010 calls (600) TTIM:4454
11-41-33:Laurenskers folds|TTIM:0
11-41-33:Pacfried shown [Fold,Call(600),Raise(1200) to(5020)]
11-41-35:Pacfried calls (600) TTIM:1172
11-41-35:Palavala shown [Fold,Call(600),Raise(1110) to(1110)]
11-41-39:Palavala raises (1110) to 1110 TTIM:2761
11-41-39:Palavala is all-In.
11-41-39:bjkongen shown [Fold,Call(810),Raise(1410) to(4180)]
11-41-40:bjkongen folds|TTIM:1092
11-41-40:frater666 shown [Fold,Call(510),Raise(1110) to(3600)]
11-41-46:frater666 folds|TTIM:5054
11-41-46odgik2010 shown [Fold,Call(510),Raise(1110) to(5370)]
11-41-49odgik2010 raises (4770) to 5370 TTIM:1734
11-41-49odgik2010 is all-In.
11-41-49:Pacfried shown [Fold,Call(4420)]
11-41-54:Pacfried folds|TTIM:3781
11-41-54:** Dealing Flop ** : [ Js, 5h, 7s ]
11-41-55:** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5s ]
11-41-57:** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]
11-41-58:Creating Main Pot with 3720 with Palavala
11-41-58:** Summary **
11-41-58:Main Pot: 3720
11-41-58:Board: [ Js 5h 7s 5s 4c ]
11-41-58:
11-41-58:Pacfried balance 4420, lost 600 (folded)
11-41-58:Palavala balance 0, lost 1110 [ 9c 9s ] [ two pairs, Nines and Fives -- Js,9c,9s,5h,5s ]
11-41-58:bjkongen balance 3880, lost 300 (folded)
11-41-58:frater666 balance 3000, lost 600 (folded)
11-41-58odgik2010 balance 7980, bet 5370, collected 7980, net +2610 [ Ac Ad ] [ two pairs, Aces and Fives -- Ac,Ad,Js,5h,5s ]
11-41-58:Laurenskers balance 720, didn't bet (folded)

***** End of Hand History for Game 8916960492 *****

What do you think?

I think thats a cool story

Online poker is rigged, they don't burn any cards

Lol incompetent support.

zogged

Interesting pattern seen in both hands. After thoroughly analyzing the data you presented, I deposited money on Party Poker and have already made millions! This game is easy.

I cant read those ugly ass hand histories.

Yeah, I guess so. And I seem to be having hundreds of this kind of hand histories - haven't checked everyone out yet. Wonder if they do it also in higher limits?

man think of all the time you wasted faking this OP

How much more do you want?

Did any of the above posters actually bother to read the OP?

The hand histories show what each of the players in the hand are holding - this is certainly not standard on the sites I have played on.

Also, the hand history demonstrates that the flop, turn and river are already determined at the outset of the hand; the deck has been "shuffled" and set at the beginning of the hand.

Either this is fake or quite interesting.

This is really discouraging. The one major advantage that online poker has over live poker is that it isn't rigged. However, the fact that the hands are "pre arranged" in the same fashion as live poker could lead one to speculate that it actually is.

Notice how the cards are dealt to the players two at a time directly in the same order as they appear in the deck.

I already sent email to Kevmat[/I]h about this. Maybe people don't believe this, because this is NVG forum - maybe there would have been a better place to start this thread. I don't know.

I'm serious about this.

Edit: Where does that annoying skype highlight come from? I did'n put it in there on purpose.

In before shill

Thats how online poker hands work

The software has every possible combination of a shuffeld deck

At the start it picks one and thats how the hand is played

I was under the impression that my action during the hand effects the way the cards are dealt ... meaning that I have an indirect influence on the rng.

yeah like if you didnt fold the flush woudn't of come but if you fold it would

but nah doesnt work like that

is this real?

I scoped the tournament ID's and they are real.
guess that doesn't tell you much but who would be bothered faking all this up?

I assume OP is palavala....not that that tells you much either

so......?????

really?

its on every site like that? ... they dont shuffle the deck after every action/street or whatever?

I really thought it is like that on some site ... dunno where I have that info/idea from.

You were right, at least for Full Tilt. The RNG does not shuffle the entire deck at the start of the hand. It picks a card based on the RNG at the exact instant that the card is required, so your action does influence the result. I'm relatively sure that would be the case at all the other major sites too, though I'm not 100%.

don't know why they would if they want it to be like live poker

Apart from the blatantly obvious security concerns? :P

This is the case at PS, I had an email from support their detailing how their RNG works, and it is based on the input & resulting output of the RNG at the exact fraction of a second it is required by the software visual, interetingly though this may not appear to be the case for PartyPoker, if it is then it's a major **** up, if it isn't then it's a semi major **** up where the support email appears to have sent you the master copy of the HH rather than the players individual HH...interesting to see Party's response to this...

Ok,

I have around 1000 pages (Word format, font 10, spacing 1.0) of these "show all" hand histories.

It's weird that some histories in between are (almost?) normal ones, and all the rest are this "god's eye" type. Seems like they are copy-pasted from other files...

I think that basic customer service persons shouldn't have easy access to this kind of information.