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02-09-2011, 09:06 AM
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PokerStars VIP, Ring Games, Sit&Gos
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Isle of Man
Posts: 2,349
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PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 28th, 2011
PokerStars will no longer offer Double of Nothing Sit & Go Tournaments as of February 15th, 2011.
This is not a decision that was made easily as these tournaments have proven to be quite popular with players. However, after thorough evaluation, PokerStars has decided that the format needed improvement.
Newly introduced ‘Fifty50’ Sit & Go tournaments have been deployed to provide an alternative for players who have previously played the Double or Nothings. Fifty50s have many of the same attributes that attracted players to Double or Nothing tournaments:
• Half of the players who enter the tournament receive a payout
• The tournament ends when half of the players remain
• There is no shorthanded play
• They end quickly
• They have low rake
Fifty50s differ from Double or Nothings in their payout structure. Only half of the prize pool is distributed evenly amongst the top half of finishers. The other half is distributed based on chip count, with each chip having an equal value.
This difference means that players always have some incentive to care about the size of their chip stack, whereas in Double or Nothings this was not always the case. This added element makes the Fifty50s a more skilful and, to many, more interesting format.
The value of each chip in Fifty50s also makes situations where some players may softplay each other less attractive than in Double or Nothings. Some forms of poker invite this sort of implicit collusion more than others, as the rewards are greater and costs are smaller for making such plays. The Fifty50 format is an improvement over the Double or Nothing format in this regard as there is always a cost for a player to make a decision that doesn’t maximize the size of their own chip stack.
While it is understood that many players may miss the old Double or Nothing format, improvements and changes to game formats are necessary from time to time. While the loss of a familiar game format can be frustrating or annoying initially, PokerStars is confident that Fifty50s will prove to be a superior tournament format.
Rake
The rake structure is different for Fifty50s than for DoNs. It’s somewhat higher for Turbo Fifty50s than it was for Turbo DoNs at most stakes, but is lower at the $1 level. The rake for normal speed Fifty50s is significantly lower than it was for normal speed DoNs. The Double or Nothings offered rake that was in most cases twice as much for normal speed tournaments than for turbo tournaments. The Fifty50 rake is more in line with other PokerStars Sit & Go tournaments.
PokerStars is currently evaluating all Sit & Go offerings, including rake. The stakes offered and rake for Fifty50s are in line with the changes planned for all Sit & Go Tournaments on PokerStars in the coming months.
If players compare Fifty50 rake on PokerStars to the industry standard for similar Sit & Go tournaments, they will find that the comparison isn’t close; the PokerStars’ rake is much lower.
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02-09-2011, 09:17 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: sngprotege
Posts: 2,625
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
omfg <3 YESSSSSSSSSS lower rake in talks for all sngs love it gogog! 1 time
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02-09-2011, 09:21 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: getting into photography
Posts: 1,732
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
When do we get a proper reload bonus?
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02-09-2011, 09:26 AM
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adept
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,091
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by rugmuncher
When do we get a proper reload bonus?
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This
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02-09-2011, 09:51 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,107
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
Sigh this is probably only going to make the fifty50s reg filled and near unbeatable.
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02-09-2011, 09:53 AM
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adept
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 918
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
13th  ... I'm a cash game player, but am in favor of all formats that promote more skill and less cheating, so I consider this progress
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02-09-2011, 09:57 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,156
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
Will there be Omaha 50/50s and O8 50/50s?
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02-09-2011, 09:58 AM
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Oh Yea Baby??
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Edge Passing IRL
Posts: 11,527
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
oh boy, fossilkid wont be happy (unless hes been playing these new ones)
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02-09-2011, 10:04 AM
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banned
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Land of the Knights Who Say 'Ni'
Posts: 311
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy
Will there be (...) O8 50/50s?
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Dream of my life, o8 players have the same right to be rich like all the others.
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02-09-2011, 10:08 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: @mjcace,MP (PM me 2 Ship $)
Posts: 8,420
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
Good for Stars and good for Poker.
DONs are the worst form of tourney poker every created.(besides kamikaze)
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02-09-2011, 10:15 AM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 76
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
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Originally Posted by mjcace
Good for Stars and good for Poker.
DONs are the worst form of tourney poker every created.(besides kamikaze)
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Agreed but at least we can play 6max without fear of colluders as they are all playing dons!
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02-09-2011, 10:20 AM
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newbie
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Life is Good !!!
Posts: 29
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
Love those Fifty50s
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02-09-2011, 10:24 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: making way
Posts: 526
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
Sounds great. Please add PLO games in the new format before completely taking down DoN.
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02-09-2011, 10:36 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,225
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
Add my vote for PLO and PLO8 50/50 games. Especially PL08 or NLO8. They would be awesome.
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02-09-2011, 10:42 AM
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adept
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: English isn't my first language
Posts: 931
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 15th, 2011
It's always better striking for a better security department but instead they opt for dumbing down the game.
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