Yeah, I have no idea how many FPPs left to go to complete this step.

Give us some numbers

Now, wait a sec... is it 1kk VPPs to reach Supernova or what? o_O Maybe you've included SNE steps inside those "200 Supernova Steps"? So it's like first 20 Supernova Steps = Supernova (100k VPPs, starting year as SN) and the rest for SNE? I'm confused, please clarify how much VPPs it will now take to get to Supernova.

Also, please clarify if the Milestones for SN+ are going to get removed/modified in the coming year.

25 X 25 = 625 vpp.

RIP 500 vpp silverstars ??

hey are ffps going to lose there value?

pstars rep guy an answer.

Just I have been saving up my ffps because i like to save them that way i can either cash them all in on one go and recieve a bank roll boost etc or I can save them up for something nice from the store.

But I horded a few now and with rumors of changes to the vip program I want to know if the ffps i currently hold will maintain there value or if i should start cashing them in.

typically you will say you cant give an answer then catch me off gaurd and suddenly what was once a few hundred worth of ffps can now by a base ball. i say a baseball because at least if it was a football or basketball could play with it but no one i know plays baseball, and i know if i did find someone i knew to play baseball and p0layed the ball would just strike me in the no action area.

and i know footballs and basketballs always end up hitting there but there never as painful as a baseball.

gg amaya

@sandr1x, @DirkkDiggler
VPPs required for each level stay the same, the only difference is the way FPPs r released

ItsOnlyChips is correct, the number of VPPs required for each status is staying the same.

There is a typo, ChromeStar Steps are 20 VPPs each. Sorry for the confusion on that.

Any questions regarding rewards for 2016 will be answered in October once we know final details.

Matthew

Due to player feedback, we are working on enhancement to show players how much they've progressed for each Step.

Matthew

It'd be nice if pokerstars could avoid making hints at the future that do nothing but scare people. Enough SNEs already have quit due to the rhetoric about the future.

Also with all trolling aside about how bad of job you guys are doing it'd be nice if you did actually update http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...99/index4.html

I think they have to drop hints to head off the outrage of 'Why didn't you ****ing tell us this earlier you wankers'.

When it's finally announced people will still be pissed off but they've had a year to get used to the idea that the cuts are going to be savage.

I agree.

Is there an easy gentile way of saying you're going to lose a lot of money? I don't think there is. I think Stars has done as good as they can when it comes to the build up to next years VIP changes.

Does anyone think rewards are going to increase? I very much doubt it so the preparation is in our minds... which is a good thing.

well they dont need to reduce the rewards its not like they are struggling financially they are just trying to squeeze whatever extra they can away from players.

i can argue all day and night about this, but its a waste of time they will do what they are going to do. I like quick games hypers and my margin is small in them.

if they tamper such a way where I cant make a reasonable profit or have proper prospects at higher stakes assuming I have the ability then I will move to another site.

if same or improvement no need to move.

hey Luke, tell us more about how you like playing hypers but you might not be able to make much money if they cut rewards, it's a fascinating story and you've not told it for a while

Interested in details to that story as well

You know, when you take the piss he just writes lengthy posts about how everyone bullies him as usual.

no one wants me around i am sure stars will increase the rake on hypers so you cant play them anymore just to spite me.

Stars are a business, more important than that single fact, they are a business that are floated on the stock market and have a responsibility to shareholders. The new Stars will give away the least they feel they have to and take as much as they think they can get away with in order to satisfy shareholders.

While people want to make money from poker, and stars have facilitated that, its essentially still a game and they owe no one a living from it.

true but I was expressing if making sufficient money from the game becomes unfeasible due to the changes they make, then I and many players like me will stop playing on and giving my/our business to the site.

basic economics dictates the more you charge the less customers you will have. there are exceptions but i dont want to get to complicated and write a thesis here.

if stars could increase the cost and reduce the rewards whilst maintaining the exact amount of players and activity of course they would make more money.

However I remain skeptical of increasing revenue if they tamper to much and reduce confidence in the going concern of future players income.

maybe I am wrong time will tell.

In 2016, hypers will officially be renamed 'LukeSilver Spite-a-ments'.

You are free to play on two dozen other sites. If all that freedom is too stressful for you, you've got three months to line up a zero-hours contract job at McDonald's, Tesco or Amazon.

We all know it sucks that being a poker pro is becoming harder, but it could be worse you know. At least you've got a few months to make new plans.

I worked with web analytics, user experience (and other internet related stuff) for 6 years. And all I can say is that users are REALLY STUPID.

Changing the aesthetics and match the rewards with the new system is not a waste of time, I can tell you that from my experience.

The test it's not for you, but for the whole. The active 2p2 players are like what, 10% of all active users from Pokerstars?

I don't know the post with the quote, but I mean that if you have a monopoly you shouldn't take risks unless you need to because what you're already doing is working. If you want to catch them, you need to take some risks.

I was the one who cited you... I didn't find the exact post but the gist was that... ty for chime in.


Let's talk about estimations... how much do you expect the cut (SN and SNE)?
I don't expect that huge cut, it doesn't make any sense with the new steps...I mean, they cannot expect players to complete the steps without proper rewards.
Also, another interesting point imo, do you recall the rake increase rollback? Well, they tried once to increase their profits (by a large margin) and realized the excessive greed was ruining the business. Huge RB cuts means effective rake go up...

4-star-

The difference between a rake increase and a cut to SNE is the rake increase hurts everyone whereas a cut to SNE just hurts a small segment of players.

I'd guess that SNE will be cut from 70% rb down to 50%. Supernova might drop from 40% rb to 30-35%.

So did anybody do the math, what will % returns for dif levels be... ?
No Arty money pit is actually infinitely bottomless.
Bear with me.

I am from Serbia a country in which poker grind, mostly online, became like 3rd biggest industry in country because of collapse of any else cause of you know -Democracy. How many countries/ populuses you think there are like that all over the world ? Even in a such country, there are so many kids with a story 'i took Mom's card opened her an account busted her bank, at 17...'
-If nothing there will always be 18y young male kid busting his birthday $ full of himself. Popularization and legitimization of poker like ultimate mind sport was only supposed to ride that and did for over a decade. PI Jungle Blom all donated at that age, flipping burgers... What you think CR7 and Neymar are doing for that demo ? And how much, are they payed? 10M ? Stars made a ~1B Profit in 2006. Those holly profits got, reinvested... We have a saying here 'Till there are people there will be, monies.' 'A new one is born...' ?
Fb is being abandoned by 1st world people but is riding its 4 billion souls strong 2nd 3rd world wave like nothing.

And then someone just concludes its most profitable to just starve to death his hardest already strained Worker cause you know... Don't pay no lunch. $$

-There is no any numerical input? Only green shiny bar? Put in more hands, bet on Juventus ?

Ty for your reply.

I would expect your numbers to be more daunting to be honest. I don't care to get a cut if the money saved are used for attract other players... I guess time will tell.