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Old 02-25-2010, 10:35 PM   #76
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Re: PokerStars statement on min/max buyin on big bet tables

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Old 02-25-2010, 10:55 PM   #78
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Fairness???? You are playing a game that online poker sites could have never foreseen. You want to talk about fair? There has never been a solution to shortstacking/ratholing since most people would have never foreseen how things would have ended up.

There are shortstackers in MSNL games that have no clue why they have an edge; it's actually pretty funny. Shortstacking is so easy that you don't even have to know what you are doing to breakeven and make good money on rakeback. It's pathetic.

Go get a job.

Regardless, either 1 of 2 things will happen:

(1) Stars ends shortstacking, but creates shallow tables for you guys to have a circle jerk. Would that make you happy? On a table where the max buyin is 20BB, you guys can minraise and shove until your finger falls off.... Would this be acceptable to you.

(2) Stars won't do anything. I'm leaning towards this. Every site is taking to ban shortstacking. If Stars keeps them, they will have a monopoly. LOL. If that happens though, not many people will stay on the site; at least full stackers. Those that do can't really complain anymore and I hope you shortstackers spread like swine flu.

Anything in between is unacceptable and is just a cop out.
You might want to see a therapist and talk about why you're so angry.

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Old 02-25-2010, 10:56 PM   #79
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LOL, and what you do isn't unethical. STFU. You're pathetic. Yes, it is within the rules of online poker to shortstack, but calling it ethical is kind of embarrassing.
Are you really saying that doing something completely legal within a game structure is the same as CHANGING the rules of a game in the middle of it? I'm not the one that made SNE "one big game," Stars is. Given that structure and the fact that people have based their lives and livelihoods on it, making a massive change to the rules of gameplay during the process is unethical, much more so than examining the rules of a game and exploiting it to your advantage. Do you think counting cards is wrong, too?

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Re: PokerStars statement on min/max buyin on big bet tables

lol stop using the word unethical like that
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Old 02-25-2010, 11:04 PM   #81
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Are you really saying that doing something completely legal within a game structure is the same as CHANGING the rules of a game in the middle of it? I'm not the one that made SNE "one big game," Stars is. Given that structure and the fact that people have based their lives and livelihoods on it, making a massive change to those rules during the process is unethical, much more so than examining the rules of a game and exploiting it to your advantage. Do you think counting cards is wrong, too?
there will be shallow tables added where SNE-hopeful shortstackers can battle it out. from what I hear there are plenty of fish that still play these on tilt so it's not like everyone who shortstacks is going to be left in the dark. just those who are terrible at it won't have the advantage of leeching off of one fullstack trying to play vs. other fullstacks.
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there will be shallow tables added where SNE-hopeful shortstackers can battle it out. from what I hear there are plenty of fish that still play these on tilt so it's not like everyone who shortstacks is going to be left in the dark. just those who are terrible at it won't have the advantage of leeching off of one fullstack trying to play vs. other fullstacks.
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If you currently make $40+/hr (which a monkey could do playing poker) and you didn't go to college for 4+ years you really should stop being an ungrateful sob which I think 90% of the complainers fall under.
i doubt most of those posting ' SS die' over here are winning at $40/hour.. most are just acting as if they'll win $40/hr if all those SS-ers were gone from the game.. ! lol !

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after giving SS their own tables.
stars did something like this lot earlier, only that they gave deep stackers their own tables..!!

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I'm sure Stars will have 20-40bb tables similar to FTP.
a huge chunk of fish buy-in for minimum (Esp, in FR).. So, this wont hurt SS-ers too badly.!!


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You sir are the ones that are the minority
no..

winning players must be minority ( deep and full)..does that mean they should be somehow banned from playing poker ?
If anything, that should be good for poker economy, aint it ?

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I'll attempt SNE if there are no shortstackers. I plan on getting around 500k vpp's otherwise.
I'll attempt to get 2m VPPs next year if there is still SS-ing.. I'll get 500k this year anyway and 1m if PS doesn't change the games....!!

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If Stars ultimately decides to re-define this thing, they should announce that change ASAP and implement it January 1, 2011, so as not to screw over people who have only been doing what they have allowed (shortstacking) and encouraged (exclusively grinding there at a very high volume).
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Stars can do whatever they want but they better know that FTP has already fixed the situation.
its too early to say that was for the better !

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If you want to play allin on the flop, play cap games, period. No one wants to play at a 50nl or 100nl table with 5 shorties, but shorties don't mind it, and will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way.
50bb tables, or table selection..!



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Don't forget their favorite argument "It's not like we just randomly shove, we've developed a strategy. Learn to adjust."

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lol at anyone thinking SS is mindless shoving.. Trust me, it is anything but that..!

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(2) Stars won't do anything. I'm leaning towards this. Every site is taking to ban shortstacking. If Stars keeps them, they will have a monopoly. LOL. If that happens though, not many people will stay on the site; at least full stackers. Those that do can't really complain anymore and I hope you shortstackers spread like swine flu.
lol.. full stackers will stay..
its been couple of months since FTP made changes.. You could have moved to FTP already ..!







- The fact is, all those complaining are complaining only to force bad players buy-in for more so that they can earn more. If it was purely for the pleasure of playing deep stack poker every one of you should have been playing 50bb tables on PS or deep stack tables on FTP long back. You all could have boycotted the regular tables. Ofcourse, it might hurt you in the short term, but eventually lack of full stackers on regular tables should force the SS-ers out of their game, aint it ?

- Even if FTP has had higher number of cash players due to increased BIs, its too early to judge. Many deep stackers from PS would have started playing on FTP on experimental basis, but the higher number of better players (in turn, lesser winrate) might force many to return to PS's better rakeback system. Probably a reason why PS will wait until April Mid to implement their own changes as they'll have an opportunity to analyse the effect FTP's changes has had in rake generated (aka, player pool).

- Sammykid was right in saying that mid-year changes will affect lots of players who SS to earn rakeback. FTP had a flat 27% rakeback system, something you dont have to plan for or work an year for. But PS's is different. Some have dedicated their whole year to be SNE and its unfair to have mid-year changes after announcing everything about VIP system for the year earlier.
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While I dont agree with 90% of what Sammykid has said...

He has a point about SNE pursuers being totally screwed if the rules are changed in the middle of the year.
I disagree with 100% he said...

Every ratholer who has a brain should've thought after FT made the changes:

"Well, there is something going on. Probably they will change something during the year, so I better try to learn to play 50BBs+ Poker to be on the safe side"

instead of

"Well, I make a bunch of rake, they will never do anything against shortstacker, what a lame discussion blahbla"


Must suck extremely for u guys, who made a solid living of poker so far without investing much brain or time for theory.

Many of you guys will never be able to beat games fullstacked bc you suck and many will also not be able to beat games with a 35BB stack.

Really really good would be if Stars increases Min-Buyin to 50BBs instead of 35 BBs because then I can guarantee that 50% of you r flat broke til the end of the year...

I mean, I can understand your fear, but as I stated very often the last time:

"Maybe poker is not the game created for u to make a living out of it"
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Are you really saying that doing something completely legal within a game structure is the same as CHANGING the rules of a game in the middle of it? I'm not the one that made SNE "one big game," Stars is. Given that structure and the fact that people have based their lives and livelihoods on it, making a massive change to the rules of gameplay during the process is unethical, much more so than examining the rules of a game and exploiting it to your advantage. Do you think counting cards is wrong, too?
Hey buddy they're a poker site. Poker is the game they provide not some player reward system. Learn to play the game of poker and your "livelihood" will be okay.

On a side note, it's great to see we now how two of these threads.
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just those who are terrible at it won't have the advantage of leeching off of one fullstack trying to play vs. other fullstacks.
lol..exactly what I was saying.. you all just want deep stack bad players* all for yourself.. and you aren't too bothered about the 'ethics, integrity etc' that you are all really pushing forward as justification..!!

*termed a bad player since, a deep stack joining a table with 5 SS-ers must be terrible at table selection..!
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and btw, if playing a 35BBs stack is so easy and so profitable I don't get all the complaints from the ratholers?!!

Everybody will be satisfied or am I missing something here??!
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. Poker is the game they provide
in which case y dont u just be content with the game they provide,which would obviously include 20bb min buy-in tables.
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and btw, if playing a 35BBs stack is so easy and so profitable I don't get all the complaints from the ratholers?!!

Everybody will be satisfied or am I missing something here??!
yes you are.. 35bb might be easy if a good SS-er decides to develop and implement a good strategy..but as of now 20bb is even better. .
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