One last proposal.



Shallow stack tables 20bb min/50bb max. = 1 to 2.5 ratio
Medium stack tables 40bb min/100bb max= 1 to 2.5 ratio

These tables would be identical in min to max stack level ratios.

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20bb min 40bb max-cap game
40bb min 100bb max- regular game

This is what i want...

Wouldn't labeling the tables by the actual min buy-in be more fair than the labels you advocate, in the sense that it's just a factual description, free from any editorializing?

I understand you feel that seeing the choice clearly spelled out between two buy-in options, the fish will often go for the lesser. But comes a time when the fish should be allowed to do what they want, no? I'm all for compromise, but I'm not for actively trying to prejudice players for or against any of the new table types (which having one table denoted "standard" or "normal" or whatever would seem to do).

I know its what you want but lets keep the ratio of shallow tables to normal tables the same that way its fair to all.

I agree that the tables should be listed by buyin amounts (ie. 20-40bb table, 40-100bb table).

Obviously any table listed as standard or not labeled is simply going to be where the large majority of recreational players go. If they are all labeled with no bias, it really should be a completely even playing field, and if the players you want to play with still don't choose your game, then they shouldn't be given every possible nudge to do so.

Also if you do it this way shortstackers will move to the 40bb buy in tables because there edge will be bigger then in the 20bb min to 40bbmax tables.

20bb min 40bb max-cap game =ratio 1 to 2
40bb min 100bb max- regular game=ratio 1 to 2.5

As you can see the bigger the ratio the more advantage for the shortstacker as in the 20bb min 100bb max =ratio 1 to 5

Below, this will take care of any advantage and it will pursade the shortstacker to play in the shallow game
Shallow stack tables 20bb min/50bb max. = 1 to 2.5 ratio
Medium stack tables 40bb min/100bb max= 1 to 2.5 ratio

so at the very least, are FS'ers at a disadvanage with the current listing of 50bb min?

no one disagree with that, but its the Stars who make the names, and there is no thread called " change the standart table name to "20 bb min"", so Stars think the fullstacked guys are okay with that.

this would be perfect imo

of course

yup sounds good

16bb-40bb cap
40bb-100bb
60bb-150bb antes (seeing as they are testing ante games)

they'll just keep creating new tables.

and who will join them? don't think fullstack regs will, and i doubt that fish will jump from fullstacker's table to those,so fullwhiners aren't bothered in any way.

exactly... once upon a time tis would've been an adaquate solution but nowadays there r just too many... any new day I play I mark at least 10 new ratholers... they will open table after table and not much will change

sooner or later fish will join for sure... old tables die and new ones open up pretty fast...



In my opinion Stars should keep the tables as they r with the new rule that u r only allowed to buy in short at a max. of 4 tables at the same time...

in between one week ratholing will be almost completely eliminated bc none of them can exist without masstabling / RB...