**PokerStars Software Improvement Thread***

[steel108]

Originally Posted by MicroBob

So the 'sit in this seat' option on Stars doesn't do it for you?
You can sit in the same seat on every table on Stars for that kind of consistency.
Although I guess on 6-max tables you aren't able to sit in the bottom-center of the table like I think you can on FT. Doesn't bother me at all but I guess if that's the position you prefer it's an okay suggestion.


I think the wait-list stuff could be improved.
It shows a button to 'join waitlist' even if you are already sitting at the table which seems pretty stupid.
When I look at the lobby and see some high pot-avg's on some tables I have to go to each table in the lobby to see if I'm already sitting there or not. If you're playing 12+ tables it's not like I'm going to recognize the name "Niobe" as one of the tables I'm on.

Highlighting in different colors the tables you are already seated at and the tables you are already on the wait-list for would be really helpful.
Green line for tables at which you are already seated.
Yellow line for tables where you're on the wait-list.

The problem with the seat me in this seat option is that if I'm 8 tabling across 2 monitors and I'm seated at the bottom right tables, I tend to neglect the tables on the right side of my second monitor. Vice versa if I put myself in the bottom left table. This even happens if I'm playing on one monitor.

[Dilznoofus]

Originally Posted by JIMMYONTILT

Also a close all tables or sit out enxt hand on all tables would be great. When im 12 tabling and need a piss or something I have to try and sit out of all tables before i go then sit in again after.

I could also put a bottle next to me but the sit out all tables option would be better imo.

_dave_'s starsplanner has this ability. I'm too lazy to find the link. It's in the software forum.

[Superluminal]

Either have an option to auto top up the stack to max (or whatever you choose i guess) or a one touch option.

If not that, then dont have the table pop up and steal focus when im in the stack top up page, today i raised when i meant to add on to my stack.

Speaking of which, stop the tables from stealing the curser when it pops up - its a real pain to write notes/use IM etc when multitabling because of this.

When your waitlist option comes up, dont have it attach itself to whatever table is in focus. When playing in cascade mode you will often lose the option to take the seat because its lost in the stack when the next couple tables pop up.

Dont have the site auto update itself to remove none standard image mods every single time you use the update program option - i want to just open the site and either it finds a fundamental update or it doesnt, i dont want to lose my image mods every time (i know there is a get around by not loading the updater and just open the program itself, but there shouldnt need to be a get around).

When playing tourneys there is absolutely no reason why the lobby needs to pop up when the game starts. If i want to see the lobby, there is a huge button on the table for that purpose.

The waitlist sucks, but we have been told before we wont get a better one for some anti multitabling reason or something.

[MicroBob]

Agree with the rebuying stuff.
It takes several unnecessary clicks to rebuy.

If I rebuy mid-hand or something then I always get the damn disclaimer that I'll get my chips when the hand is over. I already know that. Why do I have to be told that EVERY single time? A check-box to never see that announcement again would be nice. Or just give me the announcement yet again without me having to click 'ok' every single time.
It's really annoying.

Same goes for when I join a 'fast' or 'no all-in' table. I have to click an extra box every time I sit at one of these tables. I just want to be able to sit at the table and be able to re-buy without having to click 'ok' on every single announcement that I have literally gotten thousands and thousands of times now.
I would think that after a few thousand times of getting, and mostly ignoring, these announcements I would understand what is what and Stars could stop telling me and making me click an 'OK, I understand' button.

[m bozeman]

I agree with a "sit out all tables" button, for those multi-tabler's who need the occasional bathroom break, and don't want to piss in a bottle.

Also, showing the cards when both players are all-in in a cash game seems like a no-brainer. I need to know which two outs I need to dodge to win the pot, instead of being tortured and waiting until the hand is over.

[demon102]

Originally Posted by Davey

Unjoin all Waitlists button.


Something in the lobby to let you know which tables you are already on the waiting list for. Color coded maybe.

Id like an option where I can drag down over a bunch of tables and join all there waiting lists all at once, as of now I have to join talbles one by one and it takes forever.

[demon102]

Originally Posted by JIMMYONTILT

On cash tables when there are all ins please please please show the cards before board is dealt.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Add an option to move to a different seat at the table if a spot is open.

[demon102]

Originally Posted by Dilznoofus

_dave_'s starsplanner has this ability. I'm too lazy to find the link. It's in the software forum.

Ive used it and it doesnt work to well.

"If not that, then dont have the table pop up and steal focus when im in the stack top up page, today i raised when i meant to add on to my stack."

there is an option in the lobby under multitable options to turn that off

Microbob said
"Same goes for when I join a 'fast' or 'no all-in' table. I have to click an extra box every time I sit at one of these tables. I just want to be able to sit at the table and be able to re-buy without having to click 'ok' on every single announcement that I have literally gotten thousands and thousands of times now.
I would think that after a few thousand times of getting, and mostly ignoring, these announcements I would understand what is what and Stars could stop telling me and making me click an 'OK, I understand' button."

use the stars autoreloader u can find in this site, it reloads and closes those boxes, there are a ton of other scripts u can use there to, I use 4 of them and hate not using them now

http://www.overcards.com/wiki/moin.cgi/AutoHotKey

[KLJ]

if i could only have one thing, it would most definitely be:
higher minimum buyin (at least 40BB, 50 would be practical and kind of nice)

if i could have other stuff:
take care of the ratholing: 30 minutes is really, really ridiculous, and i really don't see a reason why this number was chosen. the only people who would ever complain are the people who rathole their stacks, which is extremely unethical. obviously anything more than 30 minutes would be nicer, but i don't see a reason why this shouldnt be 2 hours at the minimum (and who this would negatively affect).

ability to highlight multiple tables at once: (using maybe shift or control, like when you select files) and joining the wait list at one time.

i have fairly strong feelings about showing the cards when all-in though, i think it protects the weaker players (because they don't have to turn up a losing hand), and this is how cash games are run.

[_dave_]

There are scripts (Free) to do a lot of the trivial requests in this thread. Try them.

Originally Posted by KLJ

i have fairly strong feelings about showing the cards when all-in though, i think it protects the weaker players (because they don't have to turn up a losing hand), and this is how cash games are run.

As do I.

FTP is wrong, Stars as usual does things properly. I have no idea why people are so obsessed with the totally irrelevant information of what your opponent has in a cashgame when allin, can anyone explain *why* they want this?

All-In, reload, on to next table imo.

[Redgrape]

Please fix FPP's on HU tables. It's ridiculous. You pay much more rake HU but you get 1/10th the FPPs for it compared to 6 max in the same amount of hands. I know its tough because hands that aren't raked are half the time, but you should just give 25% RB at least (FPP conversion) on pots raked.

[MicroBob]

dave - I think it's partly curiousity about whether you're ahead or not and getting excited when you hit your 2-outer or whatever...and partly just to speed things along so that you know if you're about to win or not and whether you need to try to sneak in a re-buy before you get sat-out.

I agree that it COULD make a difference on the fishies having less courage to make some ridiculous all-in's though so I'm not 100% in the camp of "OMG...show the cards already."

To that end, I think my idea of having a button to immediately flip over the cards when you're all-in...IF you want to...is the best of both worlds. And makes it even MORE like a cash-game at a real-casino where MOST players actually do flip over their cards because they want to pretend like they're in a tournament or something...but you are not FORCED to flip them like on FT or if you were in a tournamkent.


Checking the tab on the drop-down menu to auto-muck or not auto-muck is kind of silly too.
Just make it a check-box next to the other check-boxes on the table.
Most people have it checked to auto-muck by default because it's too annoying to get asked if you want to show or muck on EVERY single hand.

But there are SOME times when I would choose to show my cards at showdown IF it was a readily available option. And calling up the lobby and trying to quickly uncheck the 'auto-muck' option is way too time-consuming when you're multi-tabling.

As I recall, Party had the 'auto-muck' option as a check-box in the lower-left along with the 'auto-post blinds' and stuff like that. That's the best way to do it. Allows me and others to show quickly uncheck it and show their cards if they want to.


Even better would be a fun option to show one card or another card when mucking or even when folding pre-showdown if it's heads-up or something....as well as after you won the hand due to everyone else folding.
This is a big part of live-poker and a lot of players find this to be kind of fun.
Everyone folds, you get the pot, and show the table a 5c that has nothing to do with the board just to torment your opponents.
Isn't this something that Negreneau does sometimes? If so then just call it the 'Negreneau Option' or something fun.

UB has the 'show cards' option I believe.
And some other site out there might have the 'show one card' or something option but I'm not sure.

If PokerStars TRULY wants to be as close to a live-game as they can then considering some of these options...that a lot of fish I think would have a ton of fun with...should be a good idea.

[ncboiler]

My list of things and all have probably already been mentioned so just take it as me "seconding" the requests;

1. Waiting list. If I am already on the waiting list don't make the button say "Waiting List"
2. Sit out next orbit on all tables option (not next blind)
3. I'm back on all tables option
4. Option to default to "wait for BB" when joining/rejoining table


That's all I can think of for now...

[SFCellman]

dave - I think it's partly curiousity about whether you're ahead or not and getting excited when you hit your 2-outer or whatever...and partly just to speed things along so that you know if you're about to win or not and whether you need to try to sneak in a re-buy before you get sat-out.

I'm not the guy that roots out loud for cards after seeing both hands face up, but it does allow for some on-the-fly analysis of your opponents play. To get the same info is several clicks/scrolls to go back through the HH, and it leads to some misclicks when multi-tabling.

I agree that it COULD make a difference on the fishies having less courage to make some ridiculous all-in's though so I'm not 100% in the camp of "OMG...show the cards already."

Yeah, maybe...but from my personal experiences playing on FTP, the games are very, very fish filled...and no one seems to mind having their hand flipped up. The astute players that know that showing certain hands might lead to having people play differently against them, know that the good players are going to go check the HH anyway. Also...when a fish has a ridiculous hand flipped up, he usually goes bust in that hand and leaves the table anyway. The whales that have add'l buyins could care less. They're there to gamble.

To that end, I think my idea of having a button to immediately flip over the cards when you're all-in...IF you want to...is the best of both worlds. And makes it even MORE like a cash-game at a real-casino where MOST players actually do flip over their cards because they want to pretend like they're in a tournament or something...but you are not FORCED to flip them like on FT or if you were in a tournamkent.

Many casinos have the policy to turn all cards up in both tourneys and cash games. For them, it is to speed things up at the end of the hand when the time comes to decide who shows first. A button to allow players to show or muck right after the all in is un-realistic. The option is already given at the end of the hand. The other reason people show their hand in the casino is that they hope the other guy will do the same. They want the sweat.

Checking the tab on the drop-down menu to auto-muck or not auto-muck is kind of silly too.
Just make it a check-box next to the other check-boxes on the table.
Most people have it checked to auto-muck by default because it's too annoying to get asked if you want to show or muck on EVERY single hand

But there are SOME times when I would choose to show my cards at showdown IF it was a readily available option. And calling up the lobby and trying to quickly uncheck the 'auto-muck' option is way too time-consuming when you're multi-tabling.

As I recall, Party had the 'auto-muck' option as a check-box in the lower-left along with the 'auto-post blinds' and stuff like that. That's the best way to do it. Allows me and others to show quickly uncheck it and show their cards if they want to.

Yes. Yes. Yes. This is a no-brainer. A checkbox next to the other boxes, that can easily allow me to show a hand in an appropriate spot would be amazing. It is impossible to go to the options and uncheck the automuck box in time to show in most situations.

Even better would be a fun option to show one card or another card when mucking or even when folding pre-showdown if it's heads-up or something....as well as after you won the hand due to everyone else folding.
This is a big part of live-poker and a lot of players find this to be kind of fun.
Everyone folds, you get the pot, and show the table a 5c that has nothing to do with the board just to torment your opponents.
Isn't this something that Negreneau does sometimes? If so then just call it the 'Negreneau Option' or something fun.

No. I don't like this one bit...and many cardrooms across the country are no longer allowing this. This is taunting at its worst, and the only reason people do this is to try and tilt their opponent. This is grouped in with the show 1 person, show everyone rule. They now have the show 1 card, show the whole hand rule as well.

[NopairParker]

Originally Posted by demon102

Id like an option where I can drag down over a bunch of tables and join all there waiting lists all at once, as of now I have to join talbles one by one and it takes forever.

Definately a must do. Its doesnt make sense to have to join each table 1 by 1 if youre going to be doing 10+ tables.