**PokerStars Software Improvement Thread***

[casey_brick]

Originally Posted by cakewalk

whenever you accidentally click fold, you are prompted with a popup to check or fold, making it impossible to bet.

fix this

+1

[MyTurn2Raise]

Originally Posted by 1p0kerboy

Hahahahaha.

Professional poker players aren't hurting anybody. In fact, I specifically know more than one situation where a professional player is now able to contribute more to society because he/she now has excess money/time. This is mostly done through his/her church but also other charitable organizations.

Judging someone's character on the job he or she works is pretty shallow imo, especially in this situation because poker is a legalized, fun form of entertainment.

I'm not quite sure where all of this nonsense is being spouted off from, other than your desire to defend ratholing. But even in that case, almost all players are against shortstackers because they ruin the fun of the game. This is true for bad players, recreational players, amateur players, professional players, winning players, losing players, etc.

I mean, do you seriously only seek out tables that have professional players on them so that you can make their lives more difficult because you don't agree with what they do for a living? No. You can't. You can't because you have absolutely no way of knowing which players are professionals and which are not. But also you can't be that much against pros becuase you ARE ONE!

So if you want to defend the ethics of ratholing, please pursue a different avenue. And stop calling the kettle black.

sorry to hi-jack, but take everything you just wrote and put in pro ratholers for professional poker players


I was trying to make my point in a clever way when I saw the ethical bashing of shortstackers

I accomplished just that






to everyone else,
yes, I do struggle to sleep at night because of my occupation as a pro gambler.... it's about the biggest waste ever

[demon102]

Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise

sorry to hi-jack, but take everything you just wrote and put in pro ratholers for professional poker players


I was trying to make my point in a clever way when I saw the ethical bashing of shortstackers

I accomplished just that






to everyone else,
yes, I do struggle to sleep at night because of my occupation as a pro gambler.... it's about the biggest waste ever

If u played in a home game with a bunch of ur friends and u continually bought in for 20bbs and then left the table when u doubled up and then did the same thing agian 30 mins later multiple times throughout the night. I bet everyone playing would be pissed at u and would want u in the next game, I wouldnt be surprised if this was the cause of some threats or starting some fights. I got nothing agianst shortstacking at all but ratholing is just a dick move.

[MicroBob]

Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise

sorry to hi-jack, but take everything you just wrote and put in pro ratholers for professional poker players


I was trying to make my point in a clever way when I saw the ethical bashing of shortstackers

I accomplished just that






to everyone else,
yes, I do struggle to sleep at night because of my occupation as a pro gambler.... it's about the biggest waste ever

myturn - I haven't been by lately to see if you found it...but somebody started a new thread on the topic of 'pro poker players being the scourge of society' or whatever.
That thread has since been moved to NVG. If you want to continue this discussion then perhaps some of the posts in there would be of interest.

[KLJ]

get rid of short stackers. its sooo ethically wrong

Originally Posted by Alex Scott

No it isn't.

Do you have a stance on rat-holing? (The practice of profiting, leaving for 30 minutes, and then returning without risking winnings).

I think that it's not the shortstacking that people think is unethical, it's the fact that they can double up and then return in 30 minutes only to buy in for the minimum again. This would be highly, highly frowned upon in live casinos, and I was just curious if PokerStars has a stance on this?

[MyTurn2Raise]

Originally Posted by MicroBob

myturn - I haven't been by lately to see if you found it...but somebody started a new thread on the topic of 'pro poker players being the scourge of society' or whatever.
That thread has since been moved to NVG. If you want to continue this discussion then perhaps some of the posts in there would be of interest.

ty

I just brought it up here because I see the hate towards ratholers as being very analogous

[Dennisa]

Originally Posted by KLJ

Do you have a stance on rat-holing? (The practice of profiting, leaving for 30 minutes, and then returning without risking winnings).

I think that it's not the shortstacking that people think is unethical, it's the fact that they can double up and then return in 30 minutes only to buy in for the minimum again. This would be highly, highly frowned upon in live casinos, and I was just curious if PokerStars has a stance on this?

Please get your facts straight.

At the 3 largest poker rooms in the world, you can not buy in for more than the table maximum eg, The commerce runs a 2/3 NL 100 game. If you triple up to 300, but want to table change, you are required to have no more than 100 at the new table. The only way to bring over the $300 is if the table is broken and even then you have the option to go to the new table at 100 or the amount you left at. This is identicle at the Bike and Hawaiian Gardens.

[MAC-N-TODD]

I agree with a "sit out all tables" button, for those multi-tabler's who need the occasional bathroom break, and don't want to piss in a bottle.

[ackbleh]

Originally Posted by Alex Scott

No it isn't.

OK so shortstacking isn't an ethical concern, even though some here (not me) have claimed that it is. But answering that complaint is ignoring the more reasonable request: Some of us want to play on tables without shortstackers, why won't you give us the option? Yes I know 'deepstack' tables with bigger MAX buyins have failed elsewhere. But what about just raising the minimum buyin?

[Vedast]

Originally Posted by ackbleh

But what about just raising the minimum buyin?

Yes, please.

[MyTurn2Raise]

Originally Posted by ackbleh

OK so shortstacking isn't an ethical concern, even though some here (not me) have claimed that it is. But answering that complaint is ignoring the more reasonable request: Some of us want to play on tables without shortstackers, why won't you give us the option? Yes I know 'deepstack' tables with bigger MAX buyins have failed elsewhere. But what about just raising the minimum buyin?

because the shortstacker protects the fish, which protects game availability, which protects rake

[PartysOver]

A good solution is raising the time limit for ratholers to 60 or 90 minutes, not raising minimum buy-ins (which may affect weaker player's comfort in higher games)

[MyTurn2Raise]

raising the time limit will have little to no effect

[Vedast]

Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise

raising the time limit will have little to no effect

It would affect professional shortstackers, that would have to combine more different stakes to be able to play many tables at the same time.

[Murphinator]

Originally Posted by tpl2007

I second Jimmy. I hate the mystery of going to the river when your only opponent is all in, not knowing what he/she has.

Couldn't agree with this more, I HATE not seeing the other person's cards.

Also, please add a bet pot button.