Anyone else having some problems with auto-buyin and autoreload?

2 main things:

1: Sometimes I buy into a table, and somehow buyin for twice what I intended. I think this has to do with clicking on your avatar to add chips, and it just auto confirms during the short time you are sitting. Is there a way to disable clicking on your avatar to add chips?

2: Sometimes when I get stacked, the autorebuy misses rebuying to 20bb, and I have to sitout since I have $0 in my stack. This is especially annoying in the SB or BB because I miss a whole orbit because the autorebuy didnt work right.

Thoughts?

agree it should stay there

well, they say that the reload wont go off if your connection is messing up a little since there's only a small time gap for it to reload you. seems that would be pretty easy to fix just by stars using your last status when you bust. i think just about everyone has had problems with it at least some of the time.

I'm always too busy to investigate but this happens to me a lot. My default is to buyin for 50bbs at LHE and frequently I've noticed I'm sitting with 100bbs from the beginning or by a few hands in when I finally notice. Maybe happens 1/20 times.

Please make PokerStars client automatically log someone out if they have auto-rebuy set to 20bb.

Both of these are a result of brief interruptions in your connection to Stars

Sometimes I note it happens like every allin at one specific table, but not others.

Hey Alex,

I registered early for a tourney but didn't come back to my computer to start playing until about 15 minutes after it had started.

When I started playing, I clicked the "I'm Back" button to begin.

Later in the tourney I was checking my rank in the info box and noticed that my time bank balance was zero. Was this because I wasn't there when the tourney started? It seems odd.

Would the only way to avoid this is log out of PokerStars if I know I am going to be away from the keyboard when the tourney starts? I thought there used to be something to click to acknowledge that I was ready at the beginning of a MTT or SNG, but maybe I am thinking of FTP?

Anyway, just wanted to ask about it.

Assuming you had the betpot script on that auto hits the timebank? Not really Stars' fault is it?

I don't use any bet pot scripts....

no one ever said anything about hiding from the regs

name changes are useless unless player notes are removed also, and that I would hope is unlikely. so not want name changes.

The solution ro datamining sites is to stop writing the full hand history text to the IHH window, unless client is logged in. and investigate/ban those who observe many tables while never playing hands when they are logged in.

Given the above, it may be useful to ensure a player must have the minimum buyin in their account in order to observe more than one or two tables?

None of these is a "solution" to datamining.

If you stop writing to the IHH window, if you disable the chat text, if you limit observers to opening only one table... none of this will stop it. It's possible to get around all of these countermeasures and the big dataminers already use more advanced techniques to collect the hands.

Even if you block observers entirely (which won't happen), the world would just go back to the old days of hand history sharing syndicates. Except that today, there is an established network of datamining services to coordinate the syndicates. How many 24-tabling NLH100 players would you need to have great coverage at that limit? Not many.

Stopping datamining is hopeless. If you think it is an unfair advantage for some players to have 100k hands on you before you have even played them, then the only solution is to allow screen name changes. The question is, how often? Party has decided on 30 days. Has that ruined the site?

-pyg

QFT

Not sure if this is true on Stars but I remember all kinds of problems on Party on 1 or 2 tables while the others I was playing would be fine, I think it's a result of different tables being hosted on different servers.

Your argument is akin to saying "we spend billions on policing yet murders and rapes still occur therefore we should give up on enforcing laws against murder and rape". I'm not saying data mining is equivalent to rape but rather the fact that you can not eradicate something 100% is not a reason to give up on trying to reduce its occurrence.

The question is not whether data mining can be completely stopped but, if we want to prohibit data mining, what do counter measures cost the poker sites verses the benefit they confer?

If the benefits conferred by data mining are small (how big an edge does it give?) and the cost of being caught are high (e.g. losing your online balance) then a lot of people simply will not bother. I expect crooks will prefer to spend their time running identity theft scams rather than data mining...

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Just because it will be nearly impossible to wipe out completely doesnt mean we shouldnt make it harder and then be tougher on penalties for those who still continue.

1. If you want to share hand histories you must have your own database - now you need only several bucks. There a lot more people who are ready to spend several bucks than people having their own big databases
2. When you share your hand histories with smn you dont create a website and write the names os biggest loseers and winners on the home page.

So, hand history sharing syndicates are a lot better than datamining services.

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I agree with your logic, but it seems we have a different view on how much datamining can be reduced.

You suggest that site countermeasures can bring it down to a small "acceptable" level. I am saying that's impossible. The genie is out of the bottle. The tracking tools like PT3 and their HUDs are too good, too many people like using them, too many people feel dependent on them. These people are willing to pay for data. So this provides the market. The market is large enough to support at least a half dozen professional datamining services. These services employ technical experts who are not deterred in the slightest by such amateur defenses as "disabling dealer chat" etc. The harder it gets to datamine on your own, the greater the value these services provide. Countermeasures are good for business! And anyway, even if observer datamining were utterly impossible, they can always fall back on the syndicate approach.

I'm saying you can't stop it by choking the supply without eliminating the demand. And futile efforts will have collateral damage. Innocent players will get swept up, their accounts suspended or seized. The site security departments will have less time to watch for collusion and other forms of fraud. And all this for nothing.

The alternatives I see are:

* ban HUDs, or

* allow name changes, or

* declare that datamining is not an "unfair advantage" after all

-pyg

good discussion.

If the service is selling data, then the sites can pose as customers, buy data and figure out how the miners are collecting it. If the sites can determine that you purchased mined data and they seize your account funds you might begin to think your decision was -EV.

How much are people willing to pay for data mining when they can collect their own data without violating ToS?

Yes, giving up on the battle against data mining is certainly an easy approach. Is it best for the game? I don't think so but who can be certain?

Perhaps my view is no different than the folks who wish HUDs were banned. I am happy that PokerStars seems to hold my view and works to prevent data mining. I hope they continue with this position.

1) they're just hand histories, how would the site figure out the collection method?

2) as stated above, they're just hand histories imported into a database, gl legitimately determining if somebody purchased hands

Ugh I dont know if my connection sucks or what, but the problems got even worse after I made that post

if you set stars on high priority and all your other stuff in low it will help a lot. at least it seems to for me

How about shutting down your business, so that people don't have their money stolen anymore? GIVE ME MY ****ING MONEY YOU POS!

Can you tell me how to do this? Thanks!