How many meetings now have you guys been crying about waiting? Sorry to be rude but I don't care, you knew this would happen, it happened last time, the time before that, the time before that. the mere fact that the meetings were allowed to take place was a false lead on there part to give whats left some sort of semblance of self worth of significance where there is none anymore. Move on. They are lying to you and don;t give a crap. These meetings for the last few years have gone from a waste of time to a complete joke. Enough already. I understand you want to hold on to any dim dim light to think you hold any significance towards poker improving but they clearly don;t care about you, so time to stop caring about something thats changed. The meetings were a joke before you went. The picking was a joke than mod disappeared, last meeting the ps guy went on vacation. The meetings are to give you a false sense of worth. Accept it, forget about it and get good at blackjack strategy. plain and simple

Question: Dont blast me for this hahha.


For either stars to make zoom games more profitable or new sites to generate traffic for zoom pools(stars too). I have seen pokerstars with a snowman promo prior, so Let's say pokerstars or any other website developed & deployed a fish bot who limped 30% of hands pre or whatever & played equally fishy postflop, lets say these whale bots got deployed onto every zoom table or a certain # of entries got deployed into every pool. Would this work to let games get better & drive more traffic to zoom while making pokerstars or another site $ in the long run?.

I mean on zoom i've noticed for 9 handed the rake is about 4-5bb/100 in the stakes i play(10-50nl) & that would be between 32-40bb earned if a fish bot was deployed on each table, let's say theoretically you could design the bot to be bad but not bad enough to where it loses more than lets say 20-25bb/100. Would this work?.

stars would benefit because A. zoom games would gain more traffic, especially at certain stakes where games don't run often, B) stars could probably raise rake by 1bb/100 & games still would be good for regs.

Also feel like smaller sites could generate plenty of traffic this way even without heavy marketing to gain fish but rather just make $ from having loads of regulars playing with 1 fish at every table & generating heavy traffic when they didn't have it before + less $ spent on advertising etc.


p.s if im abit off base here then say so hahah, just wanted to see if anybody thought of this b4 & why this would or wouldn't work is all.

Sauce,

1. I dont think you can offer +x bb to players to start the zoom pool, it would lead to regs bankroll sharing and freerolling PS.

2. Zoom is a pretty big change to what poker is. On big pool, you get a new opponent every hand and there is close to no metagame between people. I personally don't enjoy it, and im sure im not the only one. To me, zoom games lead to some sort of robotic/boring grinding poker and I dont think making all game zoom is the solution.

However, there are intermediate steps that could be taken between zoom and regular table like :
a) No possible seat selection, just a global table starter like in zoom, asking on how many table we want to play
b) Leaving 1 table 3+ handed would prevent from joining the table starter for x minutes (15min?)

This way, 6 randoms players have to play each others like in zoom, and the timer is set to prevent the seat changing.

Fish lossrate bb/100 must pay for reg winrate bb/100 + rake to site.

Money in must equal money out.

Fish desposits = Pokerstars Running Costs + Pokerstars winnings -Winning players withdrawal

While I do think the idea of sharing fish in bigger pools is valid, we cannot have one fish pay for everything. Even though money travel upwards I do believe we need to reduce the current rake-levels to encourge HS. It is important fish have something to admire, rail and strive for.

just move sites already they dont listen and there happy to see us go.

+1 Good post

the vip system itself is the worst out there, and now it gets even worse lol
well done greedy stars

i dont blame the reps, i think they did what they could, but those meetings haven't brought any rake changes (ok even rake increases from 15+1 to 13+1 in sng)
there is no reason to play at stars. every tiny site offers a better vip system, the support is even better (stars: just automatic responses)
stars puts $ just in their pockets instead of giving more to the players

RB should be 1/3 more for every vip stage. and a rake decrease was in order 2 years ago

but i waste my time posting here. if there is a change it favors stars always

Rake is higher at other sites so it stands to reason they would offer more rakeback. I'd also take issue with other sites support being so much better than stars. That said, I think they have made a pigs ear of recent changes, especially the death by a thousand cuts method of communicating them.

Tournament regs may beg to differ on that one.

Will there be a change in the VIP-program in 2016? Considering going for SNE next year, but want to know if there is a future loss in going for it... Any change in a negative fashion will obviously lead me to not go for it

Yes there will

There will be a change and it will be negative.

Do you guys know this for sure or is it just pure speculation?

It's a sure speculation.

I tend to agree with the others, DP, but can't confirm anything. As I wrote in the report, I did ask about 2016, but I'm not sure if even Stars knows how the VIP program looks like a year from now.

They haven't told UK players what changes to SN/SNE will be made on Thursday, good luck with getting info on 2016!

Yeah I'm still wondering what's going to happen in 4 days time. Is it worth cashing in fpps before 1st or should I hang on to them...not a clue right now. I figure best case scenario is we lose about 20% of the fpp value currently.

The tax is 15% of profits after rakeback, they said previously that they'd share some of the cost. The VPP multiplier going down to 5 would be bad enough, hopefully they stick to their word and don't do anything worse.

I assume you all are talking about UK PS for the new year? I dont really know the details but wouldnt it make sense to just cash in your fpps? Best case is PS leave everything alone and you have the same value. If not than you lose. Why wait? Seems like a no brainer to me unless im missing something.

Give me one good reason u shouldnt just cash in the fpps right away.. why hold on to them?

If you haven't got 100k fpp's yet and will have to cash in at a lower rate

use them for tickets or hypers that have the same value if you are concerned about losing value. Should also make money in the process if you see it as a time waster.

Yeah think cashing them in is the best option. Still pretty poor customer service to not have this information by now.

Maybe I've missed something, what is the 15% tax after rakeback?