Can we FINALLY get the Timebank increased for zoom games. Its really really short and after 200-300 hands 3-4 tabling it almost always runs out completely.

play less tables then

Oh, and I thought SNE chasers have enough fast thinking skills to play 4 tables of Zoom... I've almost never tried it, but when there were $0.02/0.04 Team Online pools last November, I was actually able to 3-4-table (had played fewer than 200K poker hands lifetime by then). Some people can even 8-table Zoom (mixing 2 stakes). High APM (actions per minute) is a trainable skill. But short timebanks are there for a reason - they make the action faster and, along with the 4-table cap per stake, reduce regs' presence.

Yeah, there's sufficient timebank at the lower stakes. Besides, if you do use it up you can just restart the tables.

Perhaps the reason for that complaint was that quitting and rejoining the pool has a downside for some - the stack size is also reset (to at most 100 bb, except ante pools) then.

if you play a certain amount of tables and you start running out of timebank its a clear sign that you are playing too many tables

I don't understand the big fuss about this "Russian PTR".
I for example have never used it and from what I've heard you have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get to use it.
Assuming it has UGL like the old PTR I would've loved to trail that but I am not bothered by its existence at all. Not using it is probably for the best bc this way I am just focusing on my game instead of dick-measuring contest UGL with the other fellow regs.

The old PTR was a big problem and it's a huge difference between the 2.
PTR was a public website where recs could see their results and where stupid regs were making fun of their results.
Therefore embarrassing and chasing recs away from the tables which was bad for everyone.

Exactly.
Try not to be as short-sighted: recs are bothered by a slower game and are leaving and that will be bad for you as well.
And for what? Just because you can only get in 1200 hands per hour instead of 1250?

there should be some sort of limit on how often you can "reserve" a seat without sitting down and actually playing. when there is a recreational player hopping around there are all these regs (who won't play a game without someone who is drawing completely dead in it) with seating scripts/lobby skills that insta reserve all seats the second one is even reserved.

yesterday this was happening so much that the recreational player could not even get a seat! PLO 6max at least is KOTH, so there is only one table with one player sitting at it -- and all other 5 seats "reserved" by seating scripts/predators with no seat for a recreational player to sit.

Time bank is fine for Zoom games. I often end up with two and three minute time banks on all my tables during session.

Unless you are playing at the higher stakes then I don't see a great need for a long time bank.

Bet/Raise/Call/Fold. It doesnt take that long to decide in the vast majority of cases.

Agree with the other guy too, if you are timing out often, play less tables. You cant handle the amount you are playing.

btw, I thought the pokerstars software automatically increases or in the above case decreases the number of tables that someone can sit at based on how fast his play is.

+1

They did this for 10/20+.

PLO is complex with tons of variables at midstakes as well, so would def be pro giving 2.5-5 same timebank as highstakes.

^^^ You don think a recreational who's down 1million$ lifetime knows hes down that?, if he doesnt know then dont you think the $ hes down just doesnt matter hence he wouldnt spend 2 seconds checking out ptr.

The whole ptr issue was about regulars checking out people profile b4 they sit hu & this whole b.s about integrity of the game etc etc.

Russian ptr is basically only used by those same regs who were complaining about it & now are benefiting as the avg poker player has no access to it.

If you ban the old ptr then the russian one needs to go based off principle alone, letting the privileged few enjoy it while the rest cant is just unfair.

hmmm...how many recreational players are down 1 million lifetime?
maybe 5-10?
We're talking the 80%+ of recs that are down a few hundreds or thousands who didn't really know exactly how much they were down.
And even the ones that did know...they assumed it was bad luck but you had PTR easy to access with a click where they were made fun of and told they sucked.
That was the biggest issue by far.

This new PTR...sure based on principle alone it would need to go.
And sure it brings some small advantage to someone who uses it at HU, even though a HU player I assume knows the regulars at his stakes and even when he doesn't he will be able to tell after 5 hands if he is playing against a rec or a reg.
As for a 6 max or FR table...the seats are taken fast enough when a new player joins that I doubt you'd have time to check his profile to decide to sit on that table or not.

That's not totally fair.

Assuming two players rec/reg that take an identical amount of time to act:

If a recreational player is going to play 2-300 hands over the course of a few days they would have their time bank reset as they start/stop for the day. However if the reg wants to play that much in a few hours, they are penalised and get into a scenario where they have no time bank left.

Obviously the time bank should be set in a way to deter persistent slow play, but imo the above example shows it's not fair to instantly blame the number of tables. At the end of the day the timebank is there to be used when needed.

yeah. it's to be used when needed for tough decisions. if you need extra time to think when someone's made a play for all your stack, that's fine. you don't need timebank to click fast fold 70%+ of the time. you don't need timebank to see you have a big pair preflop and raise. if you ARE needing timebank there, you're playing too many tables.

Stop spreading lies!!!, bro go back in the old ptr problem threads, this was not the biggest issue hahah & if it were then shutting down the comment section on the website profiles would be the solution rather than shutting them down from tracking pstars completely.

They wanted it banned because they claimed that players were checking ptr's b4 sitting to gain an unfair advantage and for bum hunting purposes. Those same people are now the only ones with access to the russian ptr as they abuse the system that they wanted gone in the first place.

Also you could of bought HH from the website which was another problem they have, i assume russian ptr can do the same hence again needs to be shut down.

I might be wrong or right in my opinion but I'm certainly not "spreading lies".

And I didn't defend them or say that what they are doing is ok...I just explained that there is a huge difference between them and PTR so that's why there isn't a big fuss about it.

And given that there aren't many complaints about it as there were for the old PTR...I'd say my opinion is not far-fetched.
The games changed since then, in the current games the players are sitting down in miliseconds, there is no time to actually check PTR.

I certainly don't feel at a disadvantage at all for not using it, however if I win or won UGL(assuming that badge still exists like on PTR) in any of the months please PM me to let me know .

Well Jon, since Exothermic is fierily saying about Russian PTR what I would have said with less passion and details, I will just focus on reiterating my request one more time:

I wasn't expecting the Russian PTR to be discussed, but it has so a few other posters and I are now very curious to know the content of this discussion. GoGetaRealJob, would you mind sparing some more of your time to illuminate us about this point, since PS didn't report anything about it (as you were hoping)?

These are both valid request and you guys should make some noise in the Stars software improvement thread too.

Cole, as a high stakes player, what do you think about the table-starter solution to scripts?

I can't really say more than that the reps brought it up and it was discussed.

I'll PM Steve to see if he could address this.

Link to the russian PTR? I didn't know anything about it... and I'm very curious about

after what I wrote above someone felt pity on me for apparently being one of the few not using it and sent me a screen shot of my results for the last 2 months. (I would've preferred a screenshot of whoever won UGL for that month for pokerd**k measuring purposes but he probably didn't want to embarrass me I guess)
And for May it showed ~3k less hands than in reality(about 10% missing hands) and 6.4bb winrate instead of 9.03 bb. :-(
So it's not even accurate?!

It seems accurate enough to inform the users its in their best interest to avoid sitting with you and your table JonIrenicus.

thanks :-)
well since I do have a coaching thread in which I brag about a 7bb winrate I would prefer them to be more accurate.

But on topic: I do agree with stars not allowing them despite what the 2 posters above understood from my post.
I gave my reasons why this is a much lesser evil than PTR, it doesn't mean I agree with its existence.

It's invite-only.