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Pokerstars Not Taking Action Against Poland Collusion/Softplayers? Pokerstars Not Taking Action Against Poland Collusion/Softplayers?

09-07-2016 , 09:32 AM
Great work, OP! Something has to be done, Pokerstars!
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09-07-2016 , 09:37 AM
A bit unusual to praise a person who is driven by his bigotry by complimenting him on how much time he devotes to that obsession.

The problem is that even if some of the hands show potential collusion - he cherry picks any hand that suits his needs, even if there is no chance of it being actual collusion, and doing that (while naming specific players) is not correct.

There is zero chance I will read all his crazy, but let's just look at the first hand he posted and see what we find. He was even nice enough to comment in the table chat about it. In it he is accusing the following players:

dporebski
00maso00

of soft play, since they are both from Poland. Let's look at each of their histories.


dporebski has played over 18,000 tournaments lifetime (about 10 years), about 8,500 of them are SnGs. He had a huge bink in 2009 for about 50K, then lost at poker for a couple years - giving back about 40K of it, then he seemed to get it together and has done reasonably since, playing relatively low volume (about 2,000 games last year and 500ish this year).

His graph is the typical one of a casual player who got very lucky, spewed a bunch back, got better at poker, and has been playing very casually since, with his results flattening as the games got harder, although he is still winning. Likely at this point it is a hobby to make spending money for him.


00maso00 has played 14,000ish games lifetime, 10,000ish are SnGs over 5-6 years. His graph is one that might appear in the amusing sharkscope graphs thread as whenever he has binked a MTT for 3-4K he immediately upped his buy in and spewed it all back very quickly. Other than those binks, its steady losing.

Basically, he is a fairly routine donk with degen tendencies whenever he gets lucky. He is the type of player the regs hopes keeps playing.


Completely different types of players, other than sharing a country, but let's see how many games they actually played together of the tens of thousands each have played lifetime.

212 games total, with a whopping 40ish together in the past year. Oh yeah, many of those are the all-in shootout freerolls that get played without the players being there, and many others are 10,000+ player tournaments like the Storm...


A donk played a single hand like a donk (he probably did not see he had a straight, and even the OP incorrectly called it the nuts - when 8 10 would be), and immediately this guy sees softplay between them.

These two players could not be more different if they tried, and they have basically never played together in their respective careers. So two guys, both casual players now (one a winner one a donk) that have nothing to do with each other at the tables lifetime suddenly take the time to identify the countries of the other players at the table (uncommon behavior) and see each other are from Poland, so they immediately join the country wide collusion skype chat? Whatever.

This is the problem with the OP. He cherry picks hands between two players from Poland that on the surface look "strange" and he immediately comes up with a cheating theory to fit them, even if a little research would show the players clearly have nothing to do with each other. He casually tosses the user names of players who did nothing wrong, so even if some of the examples are cheating - one cannot take what the OP says seriously.

Quote:
Originally Posted by coach999
Great work, OP! Something has to be done, Pokerstars!

OK, what would you have Pokerstars "do" in the example I researched? Ban both players due to their country? If you want to take the time to look at his other hands he posted you will likely find that most will also show no relation between the players, but I doubt you will bother, so you can just save time and explain what Pokerstars should do.

Last edited by Monteroy; 09-07-2016 at 09:47 AM.
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01-10-2017 , 07:12 PM
I been asked by a few posters to update this thread.

I will show you how pokerstars detect collusion and how their system is wrong.



PokerStars Hand #162583749083: Tournament #1751501265, $3.30+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2016/12/07 18:12:59 ET
Table '1751501265 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: dyna140 (32578 in chips)
Seat 2: rastafari898 (28089 in chips)
Seat 3: cusirc (21919 in chips)
Seat 4: Vronx93 (38654 in chips)
Seat 5: Brunski888 (57239 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
Seat 6: Hautschi57 (29535 in chips)
Seat 7: MiracleQ (27634 in chips)
Seat 8: lambo_black (45618 in chips)
Seat 9: Phatnoz16 (43307 in chips)
dyna140: posts the ante 200
rastafari898: posts the ante 200
cusirc: posts the ante 200
Vronx93: posts the ante 200
Hautschi57: posts the ante 200
MiracleQ: posts the ante 200
lambo_black: posts the ante 200
Phatnoz16: posts the ante 200
Hautschi57: posts small blind 1000
MiracleQ: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [5h 4c]
lambo_black: calls 2000
Phatnoz16: folds
dyna140: folds
rastafari898: folds
cusirc: folds
Vronx93: raises 4000 to 6000
Hautschi57: folds
MiracleQ: folds
lambo_black: calls 4000
*** FLOP *** [Kc 4s 2s]
lambo_black: checks
Vronx93: bets 5644
lambo_black: calls 5644
*** TURN *** [Kc 4s 2s] [9d]
lambo_black: checks
Vronx93: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kc 4s 2s 9d] [Ad]
lambo_black: checks
Vronx93: bets 14780
lambo_black: calls 14780
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Vronx93: shows [7d As] (a pair of Aces)
lambo_black: shows [Ah 4h] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
lambo_black collected 57448 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 57448 | Rake 0
Board [Kc 4s 2s 9d Ad]
Seat 1: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: rastafari898 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: cusirc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Vronx93 (button) showed [7d As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: Hautschi57 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: MiracleQ (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: lambo_black showed [Ah 4h] and won (57448) with two pair, Aces and Fours
Seat 9: Phatnoz16 folded before Flop (didn't bet)



Lambo black is a very loose poland player... like 32/23 stats. Which means hes a bit loser and those stats mean they pretty much raise preflop all the time. Here he decides to just limp utg with a4s? He either raises or folds. Then suddenly of course vronx is back at it and raises in late position with a7? Fine. Now look at the flop. Lambo check calls the flop with bottom pair. On the turn they both check. Then on the river an ace comes. There is no possible flush on the board. Lambo checks river? Then when vronx93 bets river... he just flat calls instead of shoving him all in? He has 2 pair? If vronx had stronger than that, he would not check back the turn. Also how does suddenly one player limp a hand like this and of course suddenly vronx has him dominated huh? Here same mistake like previous poland players. He check calls bottom pair. Vronx didn't bet the turn by accident... had he done it... lambo folds and then chip balance to the shorter stack vronx. Now on the river. Lambo checks river? Then calls the river without check raising with 2 pair? no flush possible no straight.







PokerStars Hand #162584047486: Tournament #1751501265, $3.30+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2016/12/07 18:18:56 ET
Table '1751501265 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: dyna140 (27878 in chips)
Seat 2: rastafari898 (55478 in chips)
Seat 3: cusirc (16969 in chips)
Seat 4: Vronx93 (60960 in chips)
Seat 7: MiracleQ (20434 in chips)
Seat 8: lambo_black (61312 in chips)
Seat 9: Phatnoz16 (38607 in chips)
dyna140: posts the ante 250
rastafari898: posts the ante 250
cusirc: posts the ante 250
Vronx93: posts the ante 250
MiracleQ: posts the ante 250
lambo_black: posts the ante 250
Phatnoz16: posts the ante 250
MiracleQ: posts small blind 1250
lambo_black: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [5s Kh]
Phatnoz16: folds
dyna140: folds
rastafari898: folds
cusirc: folds
dyna140 said, "looks like you going to have to get another acct"
Vronx93: calls 2500
dyna140 said, "when this one gets banned justl ike your boy m"
MiracleQ: calls 1250
lambo_black: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 3d 9d]
MiracleQ: checks
dyna140 said, "miracle they are playing 2 on 1"
lambo_black: bets 2500
dyna140 said, "he calls"
Vronx93: calls 2500
MiracleQ: raises 15184 to 17684 and is all-in
lambo_black: calls 15184
Vronx93: calls 15184
*** TURN *** [8s 3d 9d] [6d]
lambo_black: checks
Vronx93: checks
*** RIVER *** [8s 3d 9d 6d] [2c]
lambo_black: checks
Vronx93: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MiracleQ: shows [Tc 9h] (a pair of Nines)
lambo_black: shows [9s Ks] (a pair of Nines - King kicker)
Vronx93: mucks hand
lambo_black collected 62302 from pot
MiracleQ finished the tournament in 21st place and received $11.00.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 62302 | Rake 0
Board [8s 3d 9d 6d 2c]
Seat 1: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: rastafari898 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: cusirc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Vronx93 (button) mucked [Js Qs]
Seat 7: MiracleQ (small blind) showed [Tc 9h] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 8: lambo_black (big blind) showed [9s Ks] and won (62302) with a pair of Nines
Seat 9: Phatnoz16 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Look at this. vronx has QJs. Look who is in the bb. Suddenly he limps all of a sudden? poland players play much stranger when their fellow pole is in the blinds. They do not open limp like this if the bb is not polish. Of course it folds to sb who is not polish call the sb and obviously hes not sandwiched between 2 poles. They look... sb checks. Poland player lambo bets... obviously vronx will call to get the nonpole out. Here the nonpole check raise all in. Then suddenly both of them flat call. Then check it all the way down.


Heres the issue with this. Lambo assuming would reshove all in here with his top pair king kicker assuming the other guy was not polish. By doing this, its going to be 2 on 1. Also, look at vronx flat calling. he has Queen high. Are you serious? Yes he has an inside straight draw but he does not make calls like this assuming the other 2 guys are not polish because he know the other guy in the bb would put pressure on him. And of course check turn and check river. Then K9 takes it down with top pair. The sb has very little chance to win this pot if he gets involved here.


Look at how these players play. Look at how they limp when their fellow poles are in the bb. They do not do this stuff when by themselves



Many posters here looked at this and have agreed this is straight up cheating. They do make limps like this by themselves.
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01-10-2017 , 07:18 PM
Here is the type of response you get from pokerstars on this. First hand looks bad. 2nd one looks very bad.



- It is not totally inconceivable given the play of the hand that the guy could have AK – granted you would expect him to carry on betting the turn but regardless it is not outside the realms of possibility.
- When this hand happened there were 29 players left in the tourney – so two off the bubble. If lambo_black goes all in and is called and loses then he could very much still be the bubble boy with blinds about to hit him.

End of the day he makes the safe move and at the same time makes a ‘fellow pole’ lose over two thirds of his stack. I would genuinely be interested if you posted the evidence on 2+2 including the proximity to the bubble and see what others thought but this is in no way collusion. Fwiw there is nothing linking the players either from a technological or financial perspective either.

The second hand I do agree is more odd. I can understand the float for the min bet with overs, gutshot and the stack he has, but the all in call looks very odd. I will bcc someone to this who will be able to raise a collusion review into this pair to see if there is anything more to it.



This is from the 2nd hand



We found no evidence of any of this suspicious play. Further, note the aggressive play between 'Vronx93' and 'lambo_black' in the hand below. This is not indicative of a cooperative relationship, as cooperating players will generally avoid confrontations with each other.


This is the evidence they will provide you if they look at 2 players.



PokerStars Hand #163259310439: Tournament #1765188518, $13.77+$1.23 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2016/12/20 16:09:25 ET
Table '1765188518 5' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kallesahl (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: ikar008 (3312 in chips)
Seat 4: theboy7 (1304 in chips)
Seat 5: fedexpres203 (1284 in chips)
Seat 6: Vronx93 (1924 in chips)
Seat 7: lambo_black (1518 in chips)
Seat 8: LimpNaCadeia (107 in chips)
Seat 9: YoungBeezie (2248 in chips)
kallesahl: posts the ante 15
ikar008: posts the ante 15
theboy7: posts the ante 15
fedexpres203: posts the ante 15
Vronx93: posts the ante 15
lambo_black: posts the ante 15
LimpNaCadeia: posts the ante 15
YoungBeezie: posts the ante 15
Moving Bets to Pot
Vronx93: posts small blind 75
lambo_black: posts big blind 150

16:09:25 *** HOLE CARDS ***

16:09:25 Dealt to kallesahl
16:09:25 Dealt to ikar008
16:09:25 Dealt to theboy7
16:09:25 Dealt to fedexpres203
16:09:25 Dealt to Vronx93 [As 3s]
16:09:25 Dealt to lambo_black [Ad Qs]
16:09:25 Dealt to LimpNaCadeia
16:09:25 Dealt to YoungBeezie

16:09:40 LimpNaCadeia: calls 92 and is all-in
16:09:46 YoungBeezie: folds
16:09:50 kallesahl: folds
16:09:51 ikar008: folds
16:09:51 theboy7: folds
16:09:53 fedexpres203: folds
16:10:08 Vronx93: raises 1759 to 1909 and is all-in
16:10:09 lambo_black: calls 1353 and is all-in
16:10:09 Moving Bets to Pot
16:10:09 Uncalled bet (406) returned to Vronx93

16:10:11 *** FLOP *** [Qh 3c 9h]

16:10:13 *** TURN *** [Qh 3c 9h] [Tc]

16:10:15 *** RIVER *** [Qh 3c 9h Tc] [4s]

16:10:16 *** SHOW DOWN ***

16:10:16 Vronx93: shows [As 3s] (a pair of Threes)
16:10:16 lambo_black: shows [Ad Qs] (a pair of Queens)
16:10:17 lambo_black collected 2822 from side pot
16:10:17 LimpNaCadeia: shows [6c 8d] (high card Queen)
16:10:18 lambo_black collected 396 from main pot
16:10:18 LimpNaCadeia finished the tournament in 63rd place




Thats right. Even if you softplay with another player. If you shove all in with Ax with under 10bb and the bb calls with an Ax with under 10bb... thats enough to dismiss them from any cheating. This is completely standard and if anyone folded here this would be straight up cheating. The issue again is a lot of these players are very clever and dont do this to draw attention.


In other words, even if these 2 players had 5bb and went all in and call... this one play is enough to dismiss collusion from all the other hands.


Look at the first hand. If vronx had AK there, why wouldn't bet bet the turn? Because if he did have AK, he doesnt want to take his fellow players entire stack. Then on the river when he makes top pair, lambo decides to check call with 2 pair? You know security's response on this? Maybe he was worried vronx had AK. If vronx had AK, that is even more collusion. Many players who actually play this format agreed vronx does not play like this by himself. He raises a limp there with a7 with that stack size against a nonpolish player? He never does that? Only time things like this happen is when 2 or more polish players at the table.


In other words their security collusion system is broken just as many others told me via PM.


Anyone else at the tables will be welcomed to post in here.



Last edited by dondrew; 01-10-2017 at 07:23 PM.
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01-10-2017 , 07:35 PM
PokerStars Hand #164371618236: Tournament #1788067137, $3.30+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2017/01/10 17:17:35 ET
Table '1788067137 10' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: fedorrrrrrrr (20272 in chips)
Seat 3: woxix (13827 in chips)
Seat 4: MIL_O_90 (5899 in chips)
Seat 5: richardchen8 (31258 in chips)
Seat 6: Puciamonas (9445 in chips)
Seat 7: dyna140 (21263 in chips)
Seat 8: andrew_flash (10678 in chips)
Seat 9: Jakub507 (33152 in chips)
fedorrrrrrrr: posts the ante 100
woxix: posts the ante 100
MIL_O_90: posts the ante 100
richardchen8: posts the ante 100
Puciamonas: posts the ante 100
dyna140: posts the ante 100
andrew_flash: posts the ante 100
Jakub507: posts the ante 100
woxix: posts small blind 500
MIL_O_90: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [Qd 6d]
richardchen8: folds
Puciamonas: folds
dyna140: folds
andrew_flash: folds
Jakub507: calls 1000
dyna140 said, "look hes limping"
fedorrrrrrrr: calls 1000
woxix: calls 500
dyna140 said, "call"
MIL_O_90: checks
*** FLOP *** [2s Qs 7s]
dyna140 said, "make it 2 on 2 now"
woxix: checks
MIL_O_90: checks
Jakub507: checks
fedorrrrrrrr: checks
*** TURN *** [2s Qs 7s] [Td]
dyna140 said, "lol"
woxix: bets 2764
dyna140 said, "limping for no reason to try to help mil win the pot"
MIL_O_90: folds
Jakub507: folds
fedorrrrrrrr: folds
Uncalled bet (2764) returned to woxix
dyna140 said, "good job fellas"
woxix collected 4800 from pot
woxix: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4800 | Rake 0
Board [2s Qs 7s Td]
Seat 2: fedorrrrrrrr (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: woxix (small blind) collected (4800)
Seat 4: MIL_O_90 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: richardchen8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Puciamonas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: andrew_flash folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Jakub507 folded on the Turn


Oh look poland player jakub507 decides to limp for no reason. But of course there is. BB is fellow poland player Mil_0_90. What typically happens here is everyone else would then fold. Remember the limp to make it look very strong that i mentioned earlier? Then once the flop comes, shorter stack poland player mil_0_90 would just shove all in and then jakub would fold to get chips to the player that needs chips... aka the shorter stack poland player.



So when i saw this, i typed it in chat to let the players know.


fedorrrrrrrr and woxix are players that i have played with before and are well aware of this cheating play by the poland players to try to get chips to the shorter stack poland players. What happens? Both of these regulars limp since they aren't going to allow that shorter stack poland player to win the pot.


What happens? Both poland players check and then woxix bets and of course both poland players fold. So basically here, the poland players know they don't have the advantage since its 2 on 2. Remember they only do things like when its 2 on 1.


Woxix and fedooor agrees with this and they aren't going to get this continue. Woxix then made a comment that he agrees limping there makes zero sense. Now look at it this way. Imagine only woxix or fedoor limps. Then what will happen is Mil would shove all in... then the other poland player jakub would just flat call or even raise to get the nonpoland player out.

Last edited by dondrew; 01-10-2017 at 07:43 PM.
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01-10-2017 , 07:40 PM
Lots of stuff here

and someone staking some of these players is here defending these players HARD HMMMM

conflict of interest maybe (esp hoping for the thread to be locked)

Nice work
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01-10-2017 , 07:44 PM
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...864_67CA39AF5D

this is the hand, and i dont get why any1 would play it that way.
I didnt really read all the previous examples as im bad w/ reading hhs and it would take too long.
Smth might be up there for sure
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01-10-2017 , 07:46 PM
I dont feel affected by this even if they all do it, but i might not just see it and if they are really doing that then smth must be done
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01-10-2017 , 07:48 PM
you should paste the hands in a replayer format so it'd be easier to look at them
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01-10-2017 , 07:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by woxix
I dont feel affected by this even if they all do it, but i might not just see it and if they are really doing that then smth must be done

They been doing this for a very long time.


Look at those splash satellites. I don't play those and tons of poland players play that format. You know what usually happens? When there are not that many players left, a lot of poland players who bust all bust around the same time. You know why? Because they have no issues getting 2 or 3 poland players calling all in against the nonpole.


They do this at those splash satelltes and these 180 mans. The only difference is they don't do it as much as before since they knew stars is aware of this.
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01-11-2017 , 02:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dondrew
I been asked by a few posters to update this thread.
Well considering that when you posted this 4 months ago, all you got was a one guy expressing concerns with Stars' approach to colluders in general, one guy saying your posts had some validity, and one guy saying "Great Work!", I'm pretty surprised to hear that in spite of no one posting in this thread for 4 months, posters are suddenly PMing you for updates.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dondrew
Many posters here looked at this and have agreed this is straight up cheating. They do make limps like this by themselves.
Many posters? So who are they, and why don't they post their agreement here?

One thing that is nice about all of your evidence, though, is it allows us to understand a little better that obsessions are nothing new for you, given your screen name in the hand histories:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...g-case-797647/

(the fun starts when dyna140 gets involved at post 28)

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...player-850208/

dyna140 was the 2+2 account he uses to trash people, it seems. There are many more accounts we could talk about, but I'll leave it at that for now.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OutTaGetMe
and someone staking some of these players is here defending these players HARD HMMMM

conflict of interest maybe (esp hoping for the thread to be locked)
Really? Not sure how you know one of the posters here is staking some of them - care to share the info?
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01-11-2017 , 07:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy
Meh, the last time this guy spewed a thread like this it included lots of players who were certainly not colluding (many names he mentioned were staked by me or other people - and they often played 24+ tables at a time and had no time nor financial motivation to collude), so his obsession once he sees "Poland" blinds him, even if there may be something among his noise for specific players. A broken clock is right twice a day. His original thread was eventually locked.
hmm i dunno,

(many names he mentioned were staked by me or other people - and they often played 24+ tables at a time and had no time nor financial motivation to collude)

sounds like they would have ever reason in the world to collude
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01-11-2017 , 08:03 AM
oh, the good old "let's create almost identical screennames to collude together", possibly the hardest proof of foul play in online poker
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01-11-2017 , 08:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OutTaGetMe
hmm i dunno,

(many names he mentioned were staked by me or other people - and they often played 24+ tables at a time and had no time nor financial motivation to collude)

sounds like they would have ever reason in the world to collude

Really? This makes sense to you, that competing backers would have all of their players collude from one specific country, while they are mass tabling?

Well, a good way to test it for you would be that you and a buddy open up 24 play money tables and when they are all going you try to talk to each other about them on skype or the phone or whatever, and see how easy and efficient that process is for you, keeping in mind that these conditions are easier for you because you are choosing when to sit, and are not being moved around.

Now add to it that you do not simply collude with your friend - you actually have to collude with every other person from your country according to this OP's special little theory, so there will be times where you have to collude with multiple people on different tables while mass tabling. This includes you having to dump chips to people from your country that you do not even know, because remember - everyone in your country colludes with each other, so your skype is going to be busy, because you need EVERY other player as a contact to properly collude with them 24/7. Also, if you are both backed by different stakers then they have to be in on it as well.

OP is just a weird bigot, nothing more, but at least his bump of his nobody else cares thread reminded me who he is, as I had no idea when he sent me a bizarre PM a few weeks ago (as can be seen I last posted in this silly thread months ago in when it was summer). I assumed he was a riggie, because I get all sorts of similar crazy messages from them (due to posting in the riggie thread) depending on whatever their voices tell them that day.

This was the bulk of his PM:

"i recalled you mentioned you did not believe i spoke to head of security. I believe you and few others did not believe that. Well I did. Don't believe me? His name is
Ed. So someone like you probably would have an idea who that is.


Btw, just letting you know. Watch who you back. Theres a reason for me telling you this right now. "



My reply at the time was essentially - who are you?

Bobo pointed out with some actual evidence (ie: the OPs actual behavior) of the unstable nature of this guy in the past , through several different posting accounts. Extreme tilt/emotional control issues are an understatement, but I admit as someone who played a lot of DoNs in the past - this comment made me chuckle

Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna140
I play some Double or Nothings. There is this player named ShandeC. He's a DoN regular. I think it was last year i busted him in a double or nothing at the $10 table. He then got so mad at me and cursed me out. Boy he was tilted. He then said i will report you to stars and have you banned. I thought LOL. Most importantly, he said i will demand a refund! Now i thought this was a joke about the refund part but he was serious!

Of course stars told me about the situation and said he got no refund lol. I could not believe this player.
Stars does not tell players details of collusion reports, and LOL that they would get back to him to tell him they found nothing in a $10 DoN.

He probably did get reported, because everyone got reported in that format all the time, and its why Stars eventually correctly dropped the format, because the format created many situations where collusive play was correct, even if players were not actively colluding. Bad game design, and its why they are for the most part gone now on all networks.

Last edited by Monteroy; 01-11-2017 at 08:42 AM.
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01-11-2017 , 09:53 AM
lambo_black and Jakub507 are both fish according to sharkscope(ability ratings of 55 and 59) and opr . Jakub507 has played 159 games total in the last 120 days and thats including mtts. lambo_black has played 753. They would be limping with hands all the time. They would have no reason to collude because I highly doubt they would be part of any stable.
They surely can't beat the games straight up never mind trying to beat them with this elaborate chip dumping theory of yours.
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01-11-2017 , 10:01 AM
Why would one player dump chips to another player anyway ? In the hopes that they will return the favour? Do you think they share profits or what is your explanation?
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01-12-2017 , 01:57 AM
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hmm i dunno,

(many names he mentioned were staked by me or other people - and they often played 24+ tables at a time and had no time nor financial motivation to collude)
Yeah, not sure how I missed that, sorry.

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sounds like they would have ever reason in the world to collude
OK, then so does anyone who knows each other and plays the same games, or people who play for other stakers. What's your point? Not everyone who has the ability to cheat, does so.

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Bobo pointed out with some actual evidence (ie: the OPs actual behavior) of the unstable nature of this guy in the past , through several different posting accounts.
Yeah, and apparently OP thinks that no one will take his thread seriously since I pointed out his own posting history, which was quite easily searchable for anyone to find. At least I think that was the gist of the 3 rambling PMs he sent me.
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01-17-2017 , 10:17 AM
Replace "Polish" with "Russian" on Pokerstars and you've got the same.
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01-24-2017 , 02:05 PM
a ridic amount of the hands you posted can be explained by *pause for dramatic effect* bad players playing badly...

Monteroy talks alot of sense ITT imo.
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