Stars sees it for sure. What you don´t see, is that you @ the dealt-method get points (rakeback) for folding a hand. And this is not acceptable.

JH1, as I understand, there is no other reason but historical why SH players get less RB than the FR players?

postponing the strike without stars postponing changes is ****ing stupid.

Why would WC not change? You thought that about rake reduction too when they announced it huh? CANCEL the entire PLAN or we sit out. done. happy customers. Flying some dudes to the isle of man for cofee isnt going to accomplish anything. Its a diversion tactic so we all keep shut for a month. Nothing will come of. They cant do anything we cant solve here with actual dialogue from stars. But wait their no where to be found. Jokerstars

agreed strike damn right is on.

"WE WILL NOT STOP THIS SITOUT UNLESS STARS DELAYS THE CHANGES UNTIL AFTER HOLDING NEGOTIATIONS WITH US"

this^ mr Stars

As far as I understand it this is true.

I'm trying to remember specifically what the old-old sytem was but it was along the lines of 1VPP @ $x in the pot and another VPP @ $y in the pot and a 3rd VPP @ $z.

I want to say that at 50NL, which I was playing at the time, it was $8 pot required for $0.40 rake to get 1 VPP for everyone dealt in. 0 VPP if the pot was smaller despite it being raked.

This obviously led to an inherent advantage at FR over 6max due to the increased chances of a raised pot going multiway. There were some negotiations that went on trying to balance vpp/hand of the new-old system to the old-old system that resulted in the 5.5x/6x discrepancy, trying to give players similar vpp/hand to the old-old system while simultaneously trying to bring 6max and FR more in line with each other.

Can someone confirm if my memory serves correct?

Yea, thats correct 1 VPP for $.40 rake, 2VPPs for $2 rake and 3VPPs for $5 rake.

If you change it back to dealt a lot of players will still complain.

Whenever you have a damned if you do, damned if you don't decision, it usually falls with what you want, and in this case, Stars wants WC.

Bottom line is WC is debatable within the poker community, so please let's stick to changes that everyone can mostly agree on.

My suggestions are:

1- Rake cap reductions.
2. Rake reduction to 4.5% as Stars proposed.
3. Increase of .5 VPP for all poker types.

NL rake cap reductions:

.01-.02, .02-.05, .05-.10 --- 1.00 cap
.10-.25, .25-.50, .50-1 --- 1.50 cap
1-2 --- 2.00 cap
2-4 --- 2.50 cap
3-6, 5-10 --- 3.00 cap

Nominations: Hood, NoahSD, JH1

there's a lot of people saying change the rake back to th 4.5% and cap it at $2 for 5 players...

cant anyone see sense in making it 2.5/3/3.5% across the board?

we would need to know total number of hands played across every stake in the year, but i think a fair rake system across all the stakes is crucial, just now its stealing from the poor to make it minimal for the rich!

also the to whoever the lucky stars visitor is you know signing the NDA is gonna get your boomswitch flicked to on, no more losing flips ever again!

Im positive pretty much every cash game SNE SN or a vast portion disagree with you. None of them want WC, without visuals of inked out adequate compensations ahead of time. Fact is Pokerstars is M.I.A- Their going to do what they always do. Post with 30 minutes to go till JAN 1ST or post on the day of.

What will make everyone happy is Postponing the changes ie; WC

until Pokerstars flys out reps from here to isle of man all while actually having dialogue with players and inks out a compensation package. They don't have the man power to do that in 24 hours. They don't listen to anyone, They do as they please. We already have seen them flip flop in the past 48 hours. Their unsure of what their even doing, just looks at the mess they've created.. yes THEY.

Why on earth would stars ever offer this if none of their competitors are even remotely close to this? Just be realistic and go for the 4.5 with some extra benefits.

Just saw this a ways back and don't think it was addressed.

Consider the following:

2NL to 10NL 6max or FR 100bb stacks --> no matter how big of a pot these guys play they are going to pay 5% on every single one of them.

200NL 6max or FR with 100bb stacks --> these players don't even have to be pot committed before they are playing rake free. They hit the rake cap once 2 players each contribute 15bb in a HU pot...

200NL
50bb pot = 3% effective rake
75bb pot = 2% effective rake
125bb pot = 1.2% effective rake
200bb pot = 0.75% effective rake

2NL-->10NL and most 25NL pots
5% rake on every pot across the board

The problem isn't necessarily the rake %. It's the frequency at which you hit the rake cap in the specified game. You can adjust the rake cap to accomplish much of the same.
If 200NL rake gets capped at 1.5bb on a 30bb pot, you could theoretically do the same at 2NL capping rake at $0.03 on a $0.60 pot although that would completely destroy Stars' profits.

Are you a settler? They made $1.4 mill a day last year... because of US. We have the power