late to the party, but will consider boycotting pokerstars cash games now. bumping up 5 player rake from $2 to $3? nice money grab

Seems an apt time to re-use this

Someone make/post a WC stat for HEM 2 so we can see how it affects everyone individually with the new rake changes. One time?

If the bolded part is true, your VPP rate gain won't change that much. I'll let you figure it out on your own why this is true.

lol

I was being sarcastic. You have obviously not seen my other posts on this subject

I think the changes to WC are great.

lol you idiot, rake was increased, how can that be good unless you are the owner of pokerstars?

True, but my point still stands for those that really think that way

The direction online poker takes is clear.
Lesser profits due to lesser games and fish.
Remaining players now have to pay for it to compensate.
But this way games will collaps even faster. Not much time left i guess.
Not much we can do besides stop playing.
What other presure we can give?

lol at the moron who made a thread in NVG saying that they were introducing rush poker. Horrible thread and wrong.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...anges-1145349/

"I think the changes to WC are great."

I never mentioned their $1 increase on the 5max games.

You have no reason to think the games will get softer. The games have not gotten softer on any site after the switch. Almost every winning player will get less rakeback. That is a fact. If you use the custom rake stat you will see that. I do not consider myself a nit (19VPIP full ring) and I will loose at least 20%.

i think this is ****e, and we will lose big time

however LOL at people saying they wont play at stars anymore. All the other sites use the WC method. Give it a few days of playing at **** sites with **** software and everyone will be back on stars regardless of whether they agree with the changes

MMD is always trolling these Stars rake thread, just ignore him.

Exactly! Stars know the regs are not going anywhere so they can do whateverthe**** they want to the rake.

imagine if someone just decided to troll 6max and join tables and just sit out therefore making it 5max and double rake cap? ultimate troll and ppl who sit out will be hated

I wrote it yesterday:

I am a TAG player. I have thought a little about this change, its not so important for me (i dont live with the rakeback and i dont play a high volume) but i like to think aoubt how things works and the poker rooms have been always very intersting for me. My conclusions:

1. Actually its true that with the shared system there a lot of tight players who are making a lot of money multitabling a lot of tables because they take the rakeback from the LAGs and fish.

2. The games would not be easier because there will be a lot of players who starts to improve this game, and like other posters said, winrate will decrease for most of regs.

2. The fishes are going to have more problems. If they lose now, they are going to lose quickly his money and they are not going to come back.

Its not a very big problem give a little part of our rakeback to the fishes if this is neccesary for keep the fishes in the game or the room is not working good (talking about his finances)

But if Pokerstars changes the rake from dealt to contributed its going to be so unfair. Because they are going to say that they want to keep the fish, to make a more fair game, but not, its a lie. They ll make the game hardier and only for winning more money.

Its negative for all players in short term, for the room in middle/long term. They will win more at beginning but the traffic is going to decrease and they ll lose what they had won and they can lose their position, a lot of regs will not be able to win nothing, and they ll stop of playing.

This time is a good oportunity for Pokerstars to make the difference versus the other rooms. I have been playing since i started to play poker there because the software is the best and i feel so comfortable while i play and they have never failed me.

My idea its that Pokerstars should give to all the players the oportunity between playing with shared or contributed deatl.

I explain myself: The room should put contributed by default and when you reach a status (gold or platinum) you can change it to shared.

Most of fishes they are not going to arrive never, but they will have more FPPs.

But, its obvious, the room would win less, so, they should reduce the % of VIP systems for pay the difference or make harder to get the status level or give less VPP per hands, one of three.

5 % its acceptable and they have money to pay for all the difference with fishes, well not, they are going to win money with this.

But how are the regs going to accept to lose 20-35 %?
Its going to suck, and yes, if Pokerstars make this most of us will feel that Pokerstars only want to make the big money stealing to the regs.

At last its a good idea from one poster making the Stellar Program more attractive, when fishes watch than they can change their FPPs for money, they will do it and they will play more and the regs will be less sad, i think all of us we like to liberate Rewards.

I think if Pokerstars make this, all of us will be happy, fishes and regs and they have a very nice oportunity to show that they listen to the community and they care about all of type of players.

Merry Christmas to all of you.
PD: I hope that Pokerstars doesnt bring to us this very bad gift.

"We do not plan any significant changes to ring games offerings at this time other than the planned addition of a fast moving ring games product sometime in the first quarter of 2012."

Rush Poker?

Going to quit?
Rake is $ you pay to play poker..
Rake isnt $ you get paid to play poker.

About Time Pokerstars Stopped this`poker welfare system.

Lol at the guys saying they paid 150k in rake.. lets see you do that in 2012 without the dealt welfare method.

well played pokerstars and thank you!

THANK YOU POKERSTARS. Should weed out the nits

I made a simulation on a sample and with the changes as announced, the rake will increase about 10% on average at FL2/4 6max (on some pots will be less, on many others will be higher). It will go from something close to 3BB/100 per player on average to 3.3BB/100 or so...

I am quite concerned with the decision of increasing rake in stakes where rake is already a problem. Most above average players barely make money at the tables (I am talking about FL and beating the field for more than 3BB/100 so to payout the rake at least nowadays is huge already). It will get worse now!

More rake means that average players and below will bankrupt fast / more often.


If the aim is to kill the game, increasing rake is the way...

I like how there is always ^^^that guy who was going to 100000000x their volume but are going to leave the site instead whenever there is a rake increase.

Seems plausible...

ok...

There are plenty of silver, gold, platinum, and supernovas(maybe elite...doubtful) at the micros. This is just blatantly wrong.