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12-31-2011, 02:56 PM
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#1606
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veteran
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,388
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
I'd already thought about what pokermic posted above.
All the sites switched to WC because it allowed them to assign rake to players without rakeback or with less rakeback than the players that rake was assigned to under dealt.
Under the current VIP system pokerstars pockets even more money because it will take the high volume players longer to reach the higher levels of the VIP club.
Not only do they get to assign more of the rake to players with lower VIP levels, but they also get to decrease the VIP benefits of the higher level VIP members.
Say what you like about dealt, but the VIP system has evolved around the dealt method. If you are going to change to WC the entire VIP system needs to be overhauled to match.
Instead pokerstars thought no one would realize this and they could rob everyone.
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12-31-2011, 03:12 PM
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#1607
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: White Lines blow my mind...
Posts: 984
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
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Originally Posted by gate13
massive withdrawals is the best protest....show 'em 
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I'll be moving my money around in spite to and from MoneyBookers as allowed just to juice up the fees for Stars. This is in addition to the sit out.
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12-31-2011, 03:14 PM
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#1608
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adept
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 706
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
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Originally Posted by Bellagibro
I'll be moving my money around in spite to and from MoneyBookers as allowed just to juice up the fees for Stars. This is in addition to the sit out.
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How many figures? And does moneybookers take a % fee when it arrives in ur account?
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12-31-2011, 03:18 PM
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#1609
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: White Lines blow my mind...
Posts: 984
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
Don't know the exact fee of the top of my head but it's somewhere in the range of 1-3% probably. I'm not an online baller but if I can move 4 figures around from time to time, imagine what we could do as a group?
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12-31-2011, 03:19 PM
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#1610
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: White Lines blow my mind...
Posts: 984
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by happyeaster
How many figures? And does moneybookers take a % fee when it arrives in ur account?
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No fee on your side to receive the money. I'd imagine it's the same with Neteller but I had my NT account closed back in 2007 being North American and all.
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12-31-2011, 03:26 PM
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#1611
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PokerStars Ring Games Manager
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 81
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
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Originally Posted by Jafeeio
Can anybody tell me what I have to do to get the numbers for the currently active player in my db?
No matter who i choose as Hero I always get the same numbers. Not even sure they are mine.
I wanted to take a look at some other players too.
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The script posted earlier will return all hands that were imported by the 'hero.' To run the query for other players, use the code posted below but replace:
at the bottom with:
Code:
where playername = '<insert username>'
Make sure you replace <insert username> with the screen name of the player you would like to run the report for, surrounded by single quotes.
The script below will split the results up by screen name and game type, however it will take slightly longer than the original script to run.
Code:
create or replace function amountPreflopInvested(tn playerhandscashmisc, pkh_id integer) returns integer AS $$
DECLARE
amount integer := 0;
other integer := 0;
BEGIN
amount := tn.postamountpreflop + tn.betamountpreflop + tn.callamountpreflop;
select max(pre.postamountpreflop + pre.betamountpreflop + pre.callamountpreflop) into other from pokerhands join
playerhandscashkeycolumns using (pokerhand_id) join playerhandscashmisc pre using (playerhand_id) where pokerhand_id=pkh_id and not ishero;
return least(amount, other);
END;
$$ language plpgsql;
create or replace function amountFlopInvested(tn playerhandsflop, pkh_id integer) returns integer AS $$
DECLARE
amount integer := 0;
other integer := 0;
BEGIN
amount := tn.betamount + tn.callamount;
select max(flop.betamount+flop.callamount) into other from pokerhands join playerhandscashkeycolumns using (pokerhand_id) join
playerhandscashmisc using (playerhand_id) join playerhandsflop flop using(playerhand_id) where pokerhand_id=pkh_id and not ishero;
return least(amount, other);
END;
$$ language plpgsql;
create or replace function amountTurnInvested(tn playerhandsturn, pkh_id integer) returns integer AS $$
DECLARE
amount integer := 0;
other integer := 0;
BEGIN
amount := tn.betamount + tn.callamount;
select max(turn.betamount+turn.callamount) into other from pokerhands join playerhandscashkeycolumns using (pokerhand_id) join
playerhandscashmisc using (playerhand_id) join playerhandsturn turn using(playerhand_id) where pokerhand_id=pkh_id and not ishero;
return least(amount, other);
END;
$$ language plpgsql;
create or replace function amountRiverInvested(tn playerhandsriver, pkh_id integer) returns integer AS $$
DECLARE
amount integer := 0;
other integer := 0;
BEGIN
amount := tn.betamount + tn.callamount;
select max(river.betamount+river.callamount) into other from pokerhands join playerhandscashkeycolumns using (pokerhand_id) join
playerhandscashmisc using (playerhand_id) join playerhandsriver river using(playerhand_id) where pokerhand_id=pkh_id and not ishero;
return least(amount, other);
END;
$$ language plpgsql;
select playername, gt.gametypedescription as "Stakes" ,count(*) as "Hands", round(sum(a.rakeamount/a.numberofplayers))/100.0 as "Dealt Rake",
round ( sum(a.rakeamount * 1.* (
case when (b.maxstreetseen=0 or b.streetwentallin=1) then (amountPreflopInvested(c, a.pokerhand_id))
when (b.maxstreetseen=1 or b.streetwentallin=2) then (c.postamountpreflop + c.betamountpreflop + c.callamountpreflop +
amountFlopInvested(f, a.pokerhand_id))
when (b.maxstreetseen=2 or b.streetwentallin=3) then (c.postamountpreflop + c.betamountpreflop + c.callamountpreflop +
f.betamount + f.callamount + amountTurnInvested(t, a.pokerhand_id))
else (c.postamountpreflop + c.betamountpreflop + c.callamountpreflop + f.betamount + f.callamount + t.betamount +
t.callamount + amountRiverInvested(r, a.pokerhand_id)) end
) / a.potsize)
)/100.0 as "WC Rake"
from pokerhands a left join gametypes gt using(gametype_id) join playerhandscashkeycolumns b using (pokerhand_id) join playerhandscashmisc c using (playerhand_id)
left join playerhandsflop f using(playerhand_id) left join playerhandsturn t using(playerhand_id) left join playerhandsriver r using
(playerhand_id) left join players using(player_id)
where ishero and potsize>0 and a.handtimestamp>'2011-01-01 00:00:00' and a.site_id=2 GROUP BY Playername, "Stakes" ORDER BY Playername, "Hands" DESC;
Quote:
Originally Posted by craiggerz
I get the following error when doing the SQL:
ERROR: language "plpgsql" does not exist
HINT: Use CREATE LANGUAGE to load the language into the database.
What am I doing wrong?
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Try pasting the following code into an empty SQL window, using the database you wish to use, and then retry the instructions found here:
Code:
CREATE LANGUAGE plpgsql;
Quote:
Originally Posted by iggyping
CREATE DATABASE cannot be executed from a function or multi-command string
********** Error **********
ERROR: CREATE DATABASE cannot be executed from a function or multi-command string
SQL state: 25001
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When pasting the code into the SQL window, you need to make sure you have cleared all of the code that was automatically placed there first.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fredjackson
When I run that pgadmin test it keeps showing me every hand in all my databases combined or something. i exported hands where i was playing less tables and laggier and imported them into a new database yet i can't get it to show only this database. i highlight it and go to SQL but the report it runs still shows me all my hands not just that database?
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To change the database the query is running on, follow these steps:
1. Click on the dropdown menu pictured below, at the top of the screen. If the database you want to connect to is listed here, click on that image and then run the query by pressing 'F5'.
2. If the database is not listed in the first step, click '<new connection>' and select the database from the menu that pops up.
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12-31-2011, 03:28 PM
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#1612
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,515
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
hi nick
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12-31-2011, 03:38 PM
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#1613
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,747
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerStars Nick
The script below will split the results up by screen name and game type, however it will take slightly longer than the original script to run.
Code:
create or replace function amountPreflopInvested(tn playerhandscashmisc, pkh_id integer) returns integer AS $$
DECLARE
amount integer := 0;
other integer := 0;
BEGIN
amount := tn.postamountpreflop + tn.betamountpreflop + tn.callamountpreflop;
select max(pre.postamountpreflop + pre.betamountpreflop + pre.callamountpreflop) into other from pokerhands join
playerhandscashkeycolumns using (pokerhand_id) join playerhandscashmisc pre using (playerhand_id) where pokerhand_id=pkh_id and not ishero;
return least(amount, other);
END;
$$ language plpgsql;
create or replace function amountFlopInvested(tn playerhandsflop, pkh_id integer) returns integer AS $$
DECLARE
amount integer := 0;
other integer := 0;
BEGIN
amount := tn.betamount + tn.callamount;
select max(flop.betamount+flop.callamount) into other from pokerhands join playerhandscashkeycolumns using (pokerhand_id) join
playerhandscashmisc using (playerhand_id) join playerhandsflop flop using(playerhand_id) where pokerhand_id=pkh_id and not ishero;
return least(amount, other);
END;
$$ language plpgsql;
create or replace function amountTurnInvested(tn playerhandsturn, pkh_id integer) returns integer AS $$
DECLARE
amount integer := 0;
other integer := 0;
BEGIN
amount := tn.betamount + tn.callamount;
select max(turn.betamount+turn.callamount) into other from pokerhands join playerhandscashkeycolumns using (pokerhand_id) join
playerhandscashmisc using (playerhand_id) join playerhandsturn turn using(playerhand_id) where pokerhand_id=pkh_id and not ishero;
return least(amount, other);
END;
$$ language plpgsql;
create or replace function amountRiverInvested(tn playerhandsriver, pkh_id integer) returns integer AS $$
DECLARE
amount integer := 0;
other integer := 0;
BEGIN
amount := tn.betamount + tn.callamount;
select max(river.betamount+river.callamount) into other from pokerhands join playerhandscashkeycolumns using (pokerhand_id) join
playerhandscashmisc using (playerhand_id) join playerhandsriver river using(playerhand_id) where pokerhand_id=pkh_id and not ishero;
return least(amount, other);
END;
$$ language plpgsql;
select playername, gt.gametypedescription as "Stakes" ,count(*) as "Hands", round(sum(a.rakeamount/a.numberofplayers))/100.0 as "Dealt Rake",
round ( sum(a.rakeamount * 1.* (
case when (b.maxstreetseen=0 or b.streetwentallin=1) then (amountPreflopInvested(c, a.pokerhand_id))
when (b.maxstreetseen=1 or b.streetwentallin=2) then (c.postamountpreflop + c.betamountpreflop + c.callamountpreflop +
amountFlopInvested(f, a.pokerhand_id))
when (b.maxstreetseen=2 or b.streetwentallin=3) then (c.postamountpreflop + c.betamountpreflop + c.callamountpreflop +
f.betamount + f.callamount + amountTurnInvested(t, a.pokerhand_id))
else (c.postamountpreflop + c.betamountpreflop + c.callamountpreflop + f.betamount + f.callamount + t.betamount +
t.callamount + amountRiverInvested(r, a.pokerhand_id)) end
) / a.potsize)
)/100.0 as "WC Rake"
from pokerhands a left join gametypes gt using(gametype_id) join playerhandscashkeycolumns b using (pokerhand_id) join playerhandscashmisc c using (playerhand_id)
left join playerhandsflop f using(playerhand_id) left join playerhandsturn t using(playerhand_id) left join playerhandsriver r using
(playerhand_id) left join players using(player_id)
where ishero and potsize>0 and a.handtimestamp>'2011-01-01 00:00:00' and a.site_id=2 GROUP BY Playername, "Stakes" ORDER BY Playername, "Hands" DESC;
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I am not familiar with SQL. Can you verify that the above code is not counting uncalled bets in the calculation for WC?
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12-31-2011, 03:40 PM
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#1614
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banned
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 991
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly
remember what i say here and now:
if the changes stay as they are 10-20% of the nits will go broke or will leave, 75 to 85 % will increase volume 20-50%.
awesome?
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might be right, if so how can you blame ps for these changes?
and what are they gonna do play 32 hours a day in 3 or 4 years when the games are even worse than now? gl w that
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12-31-2011, 03:50 PM
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#1615
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banned
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 991
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by fredjackson
So next year my goal was to play 2.5m hands at .4vpp/hand and breakeven. Play 1200 hands/hour for 2083 hours and make $50/hour when I hit SNE.
Now I have a 28% reduction in vpp... So I will need to play 3.379m hands at .296vpp/hand. Play 1200 hands/hour for 2816 hours and make $36.95/hour
Which is of course impossible to play that often.
So if I maintain the same amount of hands played, I will have 2083x1200x.296=740k vpp
Will earn around $46.6k if I breakeven for an hourly winrate of $22.37/hour
So with these changes, my hourly expectation next year goes from $50/hour to $22.37/hour with the exact same volume and winrate
Does Stars really think I am going to play 1200 hands an hour for 2083 hours to make $22/hour. Seriously? if PS was publicly traded I would be shorting the crap out of it.
My stats are 23/21 6max
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hope for your sake you're better at the stock market than you are at poker
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12-31-2011, 03:55 PM
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#1616
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banned
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 991
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJacob
I'd already thought about what pokermic posted above.
All the sites switched to WC because it allowed them to assign rake to players without rakeback or with less rakeback than the players that rake was assigned to under dealt.
Under the current VIP system pokerstars pockets even more money because it will take the high volume players longer to reach the higher levels of the VIP club.
Not only do they get to assign more of the rake to players with lower VIP levels, but they also get to decrease the VIP benefits of the higher level VIP members.
Say what you like about dealt, but the VIP system has evolved around the dealt method. If you are going to change to WC the entire VIP system needs to be overhauled to match.
Instead pokerstars thought no one would realize this and they could rob everyone.
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lol@ rob
these sites completely ****ed up when they decided to use dealt
ofcourse dealt became the standard back when rb really was just a method to get new players to sign up and people werent playing a million tables at once
theyre starting to correct and error and that's robbery? classic
casino bonus whoring used to be rampant and extremely profitable
now those opportunities are few and far between
must be more robbery
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12-31-2011, 03:56 PM
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#1617
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banned
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 991
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellagibro
Don't know the exact fee of the top of my head but it's somewhere in the range of 1-3% probably. I'm not an online baller but if I can move 4 figures around from time to time, imagine what we could do as a group?
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get them to start charging deposit fees?
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12-31-2011, 03:57 PM
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#1618
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veteran
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Mexico
Posts: 2,187
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
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Originally Posted by MSauce
PokerStars has contacted a few users in private in order to make a trip to the Isle of Man in mid-to-late January.
In order to create a unified voice that PokerStars will have an easier time hearing a group of us have held discussions about how best to proceed.
This group consists of JH1, TheMetetrown, MSauce, Starvingwriter82, and Hood. Klairic has been invited but has not responded to the invitation yet. The community is free to suggest other participants for these discussions.
A majority of the group has drafted a letter for Steve/PokerStars that we think represents the views of the group and the community as a whole.
Below I have posted the letter and added our signatures to it. Please quote it and sign your name or simply +1 it if you agree.
Also, feel free to post any comments or concerns.
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Open letter to PokerStars Steve,
After talking with players heavily involved in these discussions, we feel that it would be inappropriate to delay negotiations into mid to late January given the impending switch to WC and the immediate, unacceptable reduction in VIP benefits for our supporters and the player pool as a whole.
We do not feel the need to see much, if any, sensitive information such as PokerStars' profits or business plan. We simply want to talk about the reductions in player benefits from the players' standpoint. We feel that any of the numbers we would be discussing involving rake caps, rake percentages, True vs Incremental rake, and Table-VPP multipliers etc. would be made open to the public and analyzed by the community, having no bearing on PokerStars inner business workings.
We would like to propose an alternative method of communication that would alleviate these concerns and hold these discussions online, either through a dedicated locked thread on 2+2 or through a private discussion group of which the results would be made public. Our goal is to preserve as much transparency in these discussions as possible.
We expect that the player community would delay their planned sit out if PokerStars is willing to defer the implementation of WC or any other VIP/Rake changes until negotiations are completed, effectively keeping the existing VIP structure in place until negotiations are finalized.
Thanks for your consideration,
Josh (JH1)
Mazin (MSauce)
Nick (TheMetetrown)
Issac (starvingwriter82)
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12-31-2011, 04:05 PM
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#1619
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stranger
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 8
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Re: PokerStars.com VIP Program and Ring Game Rake Changes effective January 1, 2012
happy new year indeed...
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12-31-2011, 04:20 PM
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#1620
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: White Lines blow my mind...
Posts: 984
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMetetrown
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