Hi guys just to let you know, if you play a tournament with a friend or family member in the same room and you have the incredible hotrun you end up shorthanded in that tournament and you receive QQ and KK what do you do?

Well we did what imo 90% of the players would do...
Ofcourse this is against the rules of the game but what can you expect if you allow people from the same IP into the same MTT?

We got excluded for 3 years of play on the site and all the coffincoins got taken from both our accounts.
I think this is way out of proportion because this was such an extremely rare event and never happened before.
And also if we considered this cheating we would never have made it so obvious ofcourse and we would have just played it out postflop.
We both got deducted some amount and we were allowed to withdraw our remaining funds.

Im just curious what you guys think? Are they right? And are they right to take all the coffincoins from both the accounts?
Imo if you allow us into the same MTT you also accept that theres a very small chance we end up shorthanded together.

The funny thing is Pokerstars is a big joke these days so for me personally i dont even care so much that i cant play there anymore.
No more tilting when you have to open 20 of those coffinjokes and find out you got like 3$ lol.

Are you a ******* ***** or wut?

That's not the same thing as accepting that you collude.

Cliffs:

- OP and a friend blatantly collude.

- OP suggests that since they were able to blatantly collude that it is not their fault.

- OP regrets that they cheated in such an obvious way after getting caught.

- OP likes to add the word coffin to other words, and believes that is being coffinclever.

- OP and his buddy were banned for 3 years. Nobody will miss them, nor remember them, nor care about them.


All the best.

If you were one of the other players in the tournament, and you learned that you missed a payjump because tow players were colluding, would you be pissed off?

If answer is yes, then this is ****post

If answer is no, then you are an idiot.

Guys this is not my point. I think 90 percent will do just like we did. I dont think its a real scamming serious collusion where you would play together on high stakes every day for years and years.

These things are so rare to happen i dont think Stars can give you a ban for 3 years for it.
They allow you to play the same MTT then just dont allow players to play kn the same Mtt imo.
Open the safe in the bank and leave the door open and then wonder some people would take advantage.

And no i would not care if i ended up in this situation as the "victim" i would just think that they were lucky to end up together shorthanded and accept how uncommon that is and wish them goodluck. But i guess this is a extreme criminal act by comments.

Also it took them days to answer some of my questions and most times they didnt even reply at all. Im just surprised Stars has become so blunt they act like im a freaking war criminal who just got sentenced to life imprisonment.
Give a warning this is not allowed would be sufficient.

So you're saying if I own a bank and leave the safe unlocked, if someone tried to steal everything they shouldn't get any jailtime because it's my fault for leaving it unlocked?

Dude, you broke the TOS - you put yourself in the situation.

Thats not what im saying but its highly likely people would take advantage in the very rare occasion it would happen.
And yes i knew it wasnt completely fair back then when it happened but i was just flabbergasted with the punishment for it, 3 year ban and they took all the reward coins which had nothing to do wih it bc 99 percent of those coins were earned when i didnt even play tournaments.
And the email correspondency with their support just gave me a really bad feeling. They didnt answer my questions, didnt take into account that we have played for years without any collusion play this was the first time.
But whatever i just hope people understand Pokerstars is different then it was years ago, but thanks for everybodies opinion.

You can try to spin and rationalize it all you like. You are not a victim. You are not a criminal mastermind that did a horrific crime. You are a simple dummy and your friend (also a dummy) violated the rules in a dumb way as dummies tend to do, and fortunately dummies dumbing it up get caught often, because - dummies.

Your approach after getting caught (the whiny what were we supposed to do with this opportunity) is exactly the wrong approach, but in the end dummies gonna continue to dummy.

Whether Stars can ban you for 3 years or not, feel free to say they cannot and declare an impasse and let us know how that goes. Better yet, don't let us know how it goes, since everyone else besides you accepts you got an appropriate punishment for the dummy crime, and in fact a permanent ban would have been reasonable as well.

All the best.

Thanks for your opinion but let me find out about others opinion before you tell me them.
Just a question, do you think the punishment would have been the same if i wasnt a winning player? What if i was a degen who made 10k deposits monthly? Would they have made the same decision? I dont think so, especially after the incomplete emails they replied.
And a lifetime ban are you serious ? lol

You've been on 2+2 since 2009, so I'm surprised you're not aware that everyone else's opinion is going to be just like the ones you've heard so far. You colluded. GG.

winning player - so assume you know the rules.

allowed to widthdraw remaining funds - you were lucky, by the rules they could of just closed your account and kept all the funds in your account (including those coffinpoints).

degen 10k deposits - doesn't matter.....you still broke the rules, accept it.

lifetime ban are you serious - YES!!!

Yup. You are not a victim. You are rationalizing away your responsibility of your own behavior.

Yup. You are not a victim. You are rationalizing away your responsibility of your own behavior.

Yup. You are not a victim. You are rationalizing away your responsibility of your own behavior.


The only way you will get support is if you create a gimmick account to post, and collude with yourself. Twoplustwo allows multiple posting accounts so you can pretend that it is not your fault if you do that and get caught.


All the best.

Lol at Monteroy.
Ok no harsh feelings to anybody.
And yes i was happy that i was allowed to cash out a decent amount ofcourse.
Although if i really considered the punishment was so severe i would have grinded with the absolute minimum amount and cashed the rest including those coffinpoints everytime i earned them.
Probably bc i havent had any history of this before that they did let me cash out at least.

Some people would say that a lesson is learned if the dummy caught said that playing by the terms and rules is the best approach even if an opportunity to cheat presents itself, or even if he said that had he now understands that violating rules comes with punishments so he will think about that in the future.

Seems you are opting to avoid any such cumbersome lesson learning, as the lesson according to you is to have a much smaller bankroll in future when one cheats and continue to put coffin in front of words. Coffinimpressive.


All the best.

Why are you so negative man? It almost seems like your the guy who were banned for 3 years and not me.
I didnt say that i would do it again if i had the chance at all, im only saying that my actions regarding my bankroll and points confirmed that i wasnt aware i made such a big mistake regarding the rules. So they could have punished less severe knowing im no professional cheater or anything like that because of the actions ive made after the matter happened.

Yes, it's pretty common for scammers and cheaters to think that everyone else would scam or cheat if they had the opportunity to do so. They're wrong.

What does that matter?

But obviously Stars doesn't think so either, or they would have confiscated your bankrolls and banned you permanently.

It seems to me that when this kind of cheating is discovered, PokerStars often closes the accounts permanently and confiscates all the funds. So it looks like they did take the less severe route.

Come on, guy.

At the point you guys got to the FT or same table or whatever, you and your friend should have agreed to not share each other's holdings and play it out. Any ethical person would do that.

You guys already had a huge advantage versus the remaining players in that you could share reads on them without their knowledge; you are stretching it way too far here. If you demonstrated any pinch of remorse I'd say you should appeal, but as mentioned earlier you are playing the victim 100% of the time here.

Accept the ban, learn your lesson, don't do that same **** again and move on.

He had remorse that he was caught and also that he had more in his account than he should have when doing something that could have an impact on his account. He genuinely thinks that is being remorseful, and it is interesting to see someone with an account here for nearly a decade act like a complete beginner/newbie in these types of very basic situations. A natural assumption would be that he borrowed a friend's old posting account for this to add to credibility, however the OP seems to be using similar judgment skills as seen in one of his older threads. Guess some people learn slowly, if at all.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...95/?highlight=

Fair enough, but i disagree with a 3 year ban for it. But maybe as some others stated above i got lucky with the 3 years lol but thats why i posted this in the first place. To me 3 years exclusion from playing for something pretty innocent is pretty sick punishment.

Monteroy, i just turned 18 back then thats funny to read back haha. Cant believe i posted it in the NVG section lol.
Anyone who wants a laugh should check that link from Monteroy i was so new to everything back then, funny to read it was only a couple grand he scammed me for but it was the first money i made and it felt like i got stabbed in my back i remember that. Cant believe i took it so serious i remember i even got in touch with him again a while later and sent him a couple hundreds for the SM i remember that i thought now i can find out if he has changed and ofcourse he disappeared again lol. Im probably the only one who got scammed by the same person twice ...
Those were the good old times i miss it that feeling of the first money into ur account you made so easily the first time 1000 the first 10000 cashier etc.
If i only realised back then how much money i missed out on by skipping so many grinding days i wouldnt have to grind anymore right now.
Poker changed so much since 2007 , man those older people were so freaking lucky i stepped in when it was already over its peak and still i made ridiculous amounts.

Edit: lol even annette obrestad and martin mikkelsson were in that thread (do they still even play?)
Good old times.

But it's not "something pretty innocent." It's clear cheating.

Clearly.
You should have been permbanned and your roll confiscated, instead you're on here whining about how unfair it is you only got banned for 3 years and were able to cash out everything but your coin balance and calling blatant collusion "pretty innocent".

You've got 3 years, study up.

Otatop thanks for the reply. When i click on your link i end up with the local pokerstars homepage probably because of my region.
But it probably says collusion deserves a punishment of permanent ban with all funds confisticated? Well then i did got lucky. But thats why i posted this to give my own opinion and you give yours.
Pokerstars has a pretty neat security system though that they can detect such hands.
Its good that they look after such things to keep the games honest.