SteveD,

This really might be too confusnig. I would suggest doing away with the 20-50bb tables...

Just make it 40-100bb only and then the deep tables...

Thanks

this.

I do understand the reasoning behind the changes as they are now though. Stars obviously doesn't want to shut out the shortstackers by raising to 40bb across the board, and the 50bb max instead of 40bb cap/35-40bb max was because they didn't want it to look like they where shepherding the fish to the 40bb min tables.

They are a business, they have to watch out for their bottom line, and by keeping some form of short buyin they can actually increase their market share.


Cliffs: Stop whining, as poker players you should already know how to adjust.


@ steve, server restart one time!

A total smorgasbord of NL poker to play at (J/K). They are allowing them to die off over the next couple of weeks (from what I'm gathering).

However, if you are using a HUD, expect problems on the new tables, or the quick temp fixes messing up file import.

I'm waiting for the final fixes.

This is a good point, particularly as Stars are implying the reason for the changes is the potentially exploitative nature of a short stack. Fixed buy-in for each table is a ridiculously easy fix of that problem. You can still have shallow, medium and deepstack tables and let people pick their favourite style.

Why are these variable buy-ins the norm everywhere anyway? The only reason I'm seeing is the very casual player who puts all his money in play at once.

re: the lobby being a mess


I think the main thing that was not well implemented was labeling the standard 100bb tables. 100bb is a standard in card rooms and poker sites so it doesn't really need to be labeled. The other tables (short and deep) should be seen as variations of this standard. I think the simplest way to implement these changes would be to have the short tables and deep tables labeled (ideally as "short" and "deep" and not the bb amounts) and the 100bb tables left with no label. I don't see how this would be any less accessible than the messier system we have now is and it would certainly be more approachable to a casual/new player.

Have you ever thought that perhaps it was just a last resort for them to have to sit with the short stackers, they only did it because most of the fish were at the 20-100 tables?

You keep ignoring this along with the fact that the reason that most of the fish are there is because of the way the lobby was setup, NOT because they likey playing with short stacks.

Get a grip dude, it's over, decision made, you should spend time adapting to the new landscape, since you seem to be the only "fullstacker" that actually figured out an effective way to play both the shortstackers and the other fullstackers at the same time, you should have no problem at all coming up with a new effective strategy for the new situation.

GL

will people stop making these posts?

now i have to go and get some fish and chips

thanks for that

I am very unhappy with the new update. I was led to believe that the new
software update would help players like me who like to buy in with a full
stack and do not like to play short stacks.

Before today as I do not like playing short stacks I played the 50bb min
buyin tables. I had to play vs players who buyin with at least 50bb min
stacks, now I have to play vs players who can buy in with 40bb min stacks.
How is this helping me not play with short stacks? Surely they could have
just told people that is they don't want to play short stacks, that they
should just play the 50bb min tables?

The end result of all Pokerstars work to help me (players like me) not play
vs short stacks is I have to play vs more players that have even shorter
stacks than before.

I hope they bring back the 50bb min buyin tables as I have no wish to play vs
players that are buying in for under 1/2 a stack.

short
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ante

is much better than

short
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deep

but yeah you're on the right lines

right, off for me fish n chips

They didn't role out an update to help YOU. They rolled out an update as the best compromise for the players and themselves. They have a bottom line also, and it doesn't necessarily mean increasing yours.

May I suggest the deeper tables for your needs?

Make shortstackers play with themselves or get rid of them altogether. 20-50bb does nothing towards either of these ends. 20-35bb or the abolishment of these tables altogether, does.

What part of the official announcement did you miss?

Not happening. Sorry.

At 10nl, the number of 20-50bb tables (9 handed only), is increasing at exponential rate.

or even better 30bb CAP. 20-50bb is a joke, and tells me either Stars doesn't care that ratholing SSers will still make an abomination of their games, or nobody making decisions over there knows wth they are doing.

OK - as at 5 mins ago on the $100 6 max tables:

There were 70 full 20-50BB tables and 60 40-100BB ones.

That's about what I'd expect to be honest and seems like it's a pretty good compromise for all concerned....certainly plenty of games to chose from at SSNL at least.

I suppose the next question is 'how do the 40-100BB tables compare toughness wise to the old 50-100BB ones'?

people stop whining they won't change anything.

it's funny how they managed to make deep ante tables "fast", it says how much those guys who make decisions are into poker. hilarious.