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07-18-2013 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodvsEvil1971
@wwwin why would you even ask such a stupid question as to how much they paid for the software. No poker site is gonna open their books and let you know this information. THAT IS JUST ABOUT THE DUMBEST QUESTION ON THIS THREAD!
I dunno someone disclosing the amount 2 plus 2 charges for advertising was up there on the dumb meter
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07-18-2013 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodvsEvil1971
@wwwin why would you even ask such a stupid question as to how much they paid for the software. No poker site is gonna open their books and let you know this information. THAT IS JUST ABOUT THE DUMBEST QUESTION ON THIS THREAD!
I did not expect an answer as I don't think anything was bought, you don't buy stuff from yourself, but if in fact they did pay for the software, what happened to the money, should it not go to the players?
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07-18-2013 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver
I dunno someone disclosing the amount 2 plus 2 charges for advertising was up there on the dumb meter
ROFL
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07-18-2013 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by wwwin
I did not expect an answer as I don't think anything was bought, you don't buy stuff from yourself, but if in fact they did pay for the software, what happened to the money, should it not go to the players?
Did you become the Lte poker players spokesman?
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07-19-2013 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver
I dunno someone disclosing the amount 2 plus 2 charges for advertising was up there on the dumb meter
Must have missed that one Zecko

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07-19-2013 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by wwwin
I did not expect an answer as I don't think anything was bought, you don't buy stuff from yourself, but if in fact they did pay for the software, what happened to the money, should it not go to the players?
What am I missing here? Let me think...Poker D took on existing LTE players, which they have stated were 6. Then even the most known player on the site...ThePokerKing which is an existing LTE player hasn't got a problem with how it is being handled...Then you would like to know how much Poker D paid for the software...Now if all that does not=stupid on your part, I don't know what would.
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07-19-2013 , 12:28 AM
To the administrators of 2+2 ,

This thread is out of control and you allow this to continue. You always deleted my post and corrected me and yet allow everyone else to just write whatever they want. It is very clear as to how many of this individuals are trying to destroy Poker Dominicano. Since there is no moderation and nothing is being done to protect our reputation, we request the twoplustwo forums cease and desist this thread within 48 hours. In such case that this request is not met we will move to extreme measures and settle this via our third party attorneys. Poker Dominicano is a registered Brand and therefor the use our of name here must stop now.

CHECK YOUR PM.

Your use of Poker Dominicano is a violation of Poker Dominicano’s common law trademark rights, common law service mark rights, and trade name rights, and this letter constitutes Poker Dominicano’s demand that you cease and desist any and all use of these domain names on twoplustwo forums.

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07-19-2013 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by frantheman
To the administrators of 2+2 ,

This thread is out of control and you allow this to continue. You always deleted my post and corrected me and yet allow everyone else to just write whatever they want. It is very clear as to how many of this individuals are trying to destroy Poker Dominicano. Since there is no moderation and nothing is being done to protect our reputation, we request the twoplustwo forums cease and desist this thread within 48 hours. In such case that this request is not met we will move to extreme measures and settle this via our third party attorneys. Poker Dominicano is a registered Brand and therefor the use our of name here must stop now.

CHECK YOUR PM.

Your use of Poker Dominicano is a violation of Poker Dominicano’s common law trademark rights, common law service mark rights, and trade name rights, and this letter constitutes Poker Dominicano’s demand that you cease and desist any and all use of these domain names on twoplustwo forums.
To the best of my knowledge, there had been no communication between Poker Dominicano and 2+2 since I received a PM from you 16 days ago about an entirely different matter. I've seen no post reports, and have heard of no concerns about posts until you sent me a PM after making this post. Reading through this thread now, I'd agree that there are a number of problematic posts coming from both "sides". I've been on the road for the last couple of weeks, so I've hardly seen this thread in that time frame - I doubt other mods of this forum have either, as not many have time to read every post in this forum. If you would like posts dealt with, you need to communicate that to somebody, and let them know exactly what it is you're looking for. Again, I would have thought you would want to deal with this privately, but apparently that is not the case.

Edit to add: I just checked, and we've had two post reports in the last 2 weeks. The first was from a poster yesterday that was concerned about some private information that was being displayed, which a mod dealt with. The second was a few minutes ago from another poster, alerting us to your post.

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07-19-2013 , 01:56 AM
Is it not the 2+2 mods job to control what is posted here? I mean you are the biggest Forum in the world are you not? Here is my opinion. However I don't expect you to leave this link up long.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 07-19-2013 at 02:08 AM. Reason: Removed link. Why post something on your site and then link to it? Just post the same thing here.
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07-19-2013 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodvsEvil1971
Is it not the 2+2 mods job to control what is posted here? I mean you are the biggest Forum in the world are you not? Here is my opinion. However I don't expect you to leave this link up long.
Maybe you should read this again. I've bolded some parts you might want to pay a little more attention to:

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
To the best of my knowledge, there had been no communication between Poker Dominicano and 2+2 since I received a PM from you 16 days ago about an entirely different matter. I've seen no post reports, and have heard of no concerns about posts until you sent me a PM after making this post. Reading through this thread now, I'd agree that there are a number of problematic posts coming from both "sides". I've been on the road for the last couple of weeks, so I've hardly seen this thread in that time frame - I doubt other mods of this forum have either, as not many have time to read every post in this forum. If you would like posts dealt with, you need to communicate that to somebody, and let them know exactly what it is you're looking for. Again, I would have thought you would want to deal with this privately, but apparently that is not the case.

Edit to add: I just checked, and we've had two post reports in the last 2 weeks. The first was from a poster yesterday that was concerned about some private information that was being displayed, which a mod dealt with. The second was a few minutes ago from another poster, alerting us to your post.
I have no idea why you'd have so much of an issue with posts that you would feel compelled to post about it on your own site about how terrible some posts here are, but never report a single post here or communicate with anyone on 2+2 about it.

And yes, of course your link was removed. If it is your site and your words, you don't need to link to them - just post them here! I'd cut-and-paste them here myself, but I'm not going to because it would be a violation of your copyright. Feel free to do so yourself, though. There's nothing in your missive that I'm concerned about 2+2ers seeing, although you have several points wrong. If you're concerned that you'll get in trouble for posting it here (you won't), I'm happy to cut-and-paste it myself if I have your permission to do so.

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07-19-2013 , 02:21 AM
One further point I'll make - even if mods see posts, they don't always deal with them the way others might like. We all have different opinions about what should and shouldn't be allowed. If you think a post is out of line, report it. Mods will often go back and deal with a post they had read previously and not seen as a problem. And other times they might disagree with the post report and leave a reported post the way it is. But if no one reports a post, then mods don't know that others are concerned about it.
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07-19-2013 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Maybe you should read this again. I've bolded some parts you might want to pay a little more attention to:


I have no idea why you'd have so much of an issue with posts that you would feel compelled to post about it on your own site about how terrible some posts here are, but never report a single post here or communicate with anyone on 2+2 about it.

And yes, of course your link was removed. If it is your site and your words, you don't need to link to them - just post them here! I'd cut-and-paste them here myself, but I'm not going to because it would be a violation of your copyright. Feel free to do so yourself, though. There's nothing in your missive that I'm concerned about 2+2ers seeing, although you have many, many points wrong.
Let me say again in case you did not get my point the first time...Are you not the biggest Forum in the world? Why should I have to report any posts? Isn't it your job to control a thread and ban people who continue to talk smack? I mean you guys I am more than sure make a great profit here on 2+2, so what you are saying to me is you don't have people to monitor threads 24/7? If not I suggest you hire people to do so with all the money you guys are making because in some cases it could ruin other people's reputations. And matter of fact "YES" that is my site and that post will be circulated in a way it will reach hundreds of thousands of people.

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07-19-2013 , 02:29 AM
Since the Ma'er wants to make this thread about him, me and Icewolfs posts were totally ignored by the reps. We have been been grinding for our 500 vpips, and want to know if we are gonna be able to cash out or not. Its pretty simple, you told PokerKing 10% of his balance, does that stand for all the rest of the LTE players or not ?
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07-19-2013 , 02:35 AM
Biggest poker forum.. yes. Biggest forum.. highly doubtful. Mods are people that volunteer their own time (and sometimes patience) in order to keep these forums in good running order. However, we don't always have the time or inclination to read through every single post of every single thread. Look at something like Internet Poker for example, during a busy time, you could see a thread like the transfer thread get bumped every few minutes. A few mods can not be expected to read through every single thread, nor should they have to.

This is what the report post button is made for. It is a great way for all users to be involved in keeping this forums chugging along. It alerts all mods through email about posts that really need to be looked at. I can't speak for other mods, but when I have a post reported to me, I tend to look at a few posts before and after the reported post in order to make a judgement about how out of line the reported post is (aside from obvious things like spam or porn). The vitriol you have at the moment seems pretty one sided on your part. Sure, this thread may have gotten out of line.. but it certainly isn't caused by just one side of the equation.
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07-19-2013 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodvsEvil1971
Let me say again in case you did not get my point the first time...Are you not the biggest Forum in the world?
Certainly the largest English-speaking poker forum, yes. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, other than it means we have a lot more posts and threads to deal with than other forums do.

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Why should I have to report any posts?
Because you want them dealt with?

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Isn't it your job to control a thread and ban people who continue to talk smack?
It is the job of volunteer moderators to deal with problems they see, yes.

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I mean you guys I am more than sure make a great profit here on 2+2, so what you are saying to me is you don't have people to monitor threads 24/7? If not I suggest you hire people to do so with all the money you guys are making because in some cases it could ruin other people's reputations.
I don't think you really have any idea of how much 2+2 makes and how much work it would be to have someone paid to look through every single post on 2+2. I'll just say that this doesn't make nearly as much economic sense as you seem to think it does.

And of course there's the issue I mentioned in my previous post (which you may not have seen before posting this) that we don't all see things the same way. Even if we paid people to monitor every word posted here 24/7, those people might not see things the same way you do. So if you think something doesn't belong, whether every word is monitored or not, the only way you have a hope of that being changed is to let us know you have an issue with something.

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And matter of fact "YES" that is my site and that post will be circulated through hundreds of thousands of people.
That's certainly your prerogative, and as I said, you're welcome to post the same words here. I'd suggest that you might want to fix a few errors first, but that's entirely up to you of course.
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07-19-2013 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jstew80
Since the Ma'er wants to make this thread about him, me and Icewolfs posts were totally ignored by the reps. We have been been grinding for our 500 vpips, and want to know if we are gonna be able to cash out or not. Its pretty simple, you told PokerKing 10% of his balance, does that stand for all the rest of the LTE players or not ?
This is a good point here Mad, I have played with you many times on Poker D. The point is 2+2 is letting this thread run wild with accusations and mumbo jumbo. 2+2 should have a massive staff with the money they make, while Poker D does not. I am sure that your questions will get answered soon. See you at the tables and good luck!
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07-19-2013 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
Biggest poker forum.. yes. Biggest forum.. highly doubtful. Mods are people that volunteer their own time (and sometimes patience) in order to keep these forums in good running order. However, we don't always have the time or inclination to read through every single post of every single thread. Look at something like Internet Poker for example, during a busy time, you could see a thread like the transfer thread get bumped every few minutes. A few mods can not be expected to read through every single thread, nor should they have to.

This is what the report post button is made for. It is a great way for all users to be involved in keeping this forums chugging along. It alerts all mods through email about posts that really need to be looked at. I can't speak for other mods, but when I have a post reported to me, I tend to look at a few posts before and after the reported post in order to make a judgement about how out of line the reported post is (aside from obvious things like spam or porn). The vitriol you have at the moment seems pretty one sided on your part. Sure, this thread may have gotten out of line.. but it certainly isn't caused by just one side of the equation.
Wolf, I respect you and your opinions, however, if mods can't do the job they volunteered to do then they should not be a mod. Plain and simple. If I reported every post that is out of line here I would be on 2+2 all the time. I am very busy with other things. So what I have to do is just read the thread and go away shaking my head at what some of these people are getting by with saying.

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07-19-2013 , 03:05 AM
It isn't a matter of can't do. If we looked at every single thread posted, we would be wasting massive amounts of time, because 99.9% of threads and posts are fine. So we would be spending huge amounts of time looking at these threads and posts that have nothing wrong with them and missing out on things that actually need attention. If we had to look at every single post, in every single thread.. there would be no mods, as the work would simply be too great. This would just lead to absolute chaos and this forum would be crap in no time. Instead, we rely on the large number of readers on the forum to help us zero in on areas that need attention, much the same way that poker sites (running programs/security teams 24/7) rely on players to help police the games.
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07-19-2013 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Certainly the largest English-speaking poker forum, yes. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, other than it means we have a lot more posts and threads to deal with than other forums do.


Because you want them dealt with?


It is the job of volunteer moderators to deal with problems they see, yes.


I don't think you really have any idea of how much 2+2 makes and how much work it would be to have someone paid to look through every single post on 2+2. I'll just say that this doesn't make nearly as much economic sense as you seem to think it does.

And of course there's the issue I mentioned in my previous post (which you may not have seen before posting this) that we don't all see things the same way. Even if we paid people to monitor every word posted here 24/7, those people might not see things the same way you do. So if you think something doesn't belong, whether every word is monitored or not, the only way you have a hope of that being changed is to let us know you have an issue with something.


That's certainly your prerogative, and as I said, you're welcome to post the same words here. I'd suggest that you might want to fix a few errors first, but that's entirely up to you of course.
Why would I copy/paste it here? So you can take parts out and comment on the ones you feel like? I posted the link, you took it down, that's your prerogative. You seem to ignore some parts while concentrating on certain parts you are interested in like what is posted above. Some parts do not make a whole. I could take parts of a book and when I was finished make it look like a total different story,

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07-19-2013 , 03:15 AM
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Why would I copy/paste it here? So you can take parts out and comment on the ones you feel like? I posted the link, you took it down, that's your prerogative. You seem to ignore some parts while concentrating on certain parts you are interested in like what is posted above. Some parts do not make a whole. I could take parts of a book and when I was finished make it look like a total different story,
I respond to things I have a response for. If there's something I didn't respond to that you'd like me to, please let me know.

I don't appreciate the implication that I would remove parts of your post - I've already told you that you could post it, or I would with your permission. None of it would be removed.

I also don't appreciate the implication that I have somehow made a different story out of a post of yours or that I would do the same with a post cutting-and-pasting that article from your site. If you feel I have changed the meaning of your post, please let me know where I have done so. I'd be happy to correct anything if I've erred.

BTW, my last post quoted every word of the post of yours that it was responding to. As far as I can see, I responded to very portion of your post, ignoring none. Could you please point out what I ignored?

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07-19-2013 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
It isn't a matter of can't do. If we looked at every single thread posted, we would be wasting massive amounts of time, because 99.9% of threads and posts are fine. So we would be spending huge amounts of time looking at these threads and posts that have nothing wrong with them and missing out on things that actually need attention. If we had to look at every single post, in every single thread.. there would be no mods, as the work would simply be too great. This would just lead to absolute chaos and this forum would be crap in no time. Instead, we rely on the large number of readers on the forum to help us zero in on areas that need attention, much the same way that poker sites (running programs/security teams 24/7) rely on players to help police the games.
Point taken Wolf. Thanks for taking the time to explain this. Fact is we won't have to worry about this thread anymore if 2+2 is going to take it down like Poker D has requested they do. I mean some of the things people are coming up with are lies which anyone can see that looks into the matter. That's what makes me upset the most I guess, is that some are obvious lies yet the posts still remain on the thread.
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07-19-2013 , 03:26 AM
FWIW, we rarely delete entire threads with hundreds of posts at one person's request - that wouldn't be very fair to everyone else. PD will likely get further letting us know which posts are the issue.
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07-19-2013 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I respond to things I have a response for. If there's something I didn't respond to that you'd like me to, please let me know.

I don't appreciate the implication that I would remove parts of your post - I've already told you that you could post it, or I would with your permission. None of it would be removed.

I also don't appreciate the implication that I have somehow made a different story out of a post of yours or that I would do the same with a post cutting-and-pasting that article from your site. If you feel I have changed the meaning of your post, please let me know where I have done so. I'd be happy to correct anything if I've erred.

BTW, my last post quoted every word of the post of yours that it was responding to. As far as I can see, I responded to very portion of your post, ignoring none. Could you please point out what I ignored?
I am not implicating anything it is a "FACT" I have seen many posts that you take bits and pieces of leaving out the rest to make it look better to your benefit. Now if you decide to ban me for pointing this fact out, SO BE IT!

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07-19-2013 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodvsEvil1971
I am not implicating anything it a "FACT" I have seen many posts that you take bits and pieces of leaving out the reast to make it look better to your benefit.
Please provide some examples.

I'd especially appreciate you pointing out where I did so with your posts this evening, as you said I did.
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07-19-2013 , 03:35 AM
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Please provide some examples.

I'd especially appreciate you pointing out where I did so with your posts this evening, as you said I did.
Look I will just say this and go to bed. I posted the link here on 2+2 you took it off. But..I will be damned if I copy/paste it here so you can cut it to shreds to your liking. Furthermore I am very well known in the Poker Community for my cash game play and well respected. I have no clue who you actually are but my real name is Anthony Lee Howe look it up is you so desire. I am more than certain if you type it in the search bar on face book it will be the first name to pop up seeing as I have over 3,150 people on my page. I have no time for you anymore tonight. So there you have it, I am not hiding anything from anybody, never have, never will. You want to continue letting people tell outright lies and rubbish here that is solely up to you.

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