"In the event of a poker fraud investigation we are under no obligation to accept any explanation provided for the receipt of fraudulent funds. If such an investigation is resolved, and your account is reopened, we may choose to remove the amount of fraudulent funds from your bankroll."

Translated:
"We can take your money whenever we want, with no explanation needed, and can then kindly tell you to go **** yourself. You have proof? Ha no thanks, we like free money, you sucker"

Serious 888/LuckyAce/Cassava LEVEL

This thread should be moved to NVG for more views IMO

great post mike

this will escalate and get more and more out of hand until at least one hand is posted by 888 that isnt in the op OR the money is returned tbh. im not saying i will do anything to escalate it, i might not even post again in this thread, its just a fact about 2+2 and how posters here work.

fwiw i raked about $160k last year alone, and as a result of this thread i will never ever play on luckyacepoker and will likely avoid the entire 888poker network now as well.

Don't post here often but do read a lot. Withdrawn my money from 888 after reading the thread

Just sayin......

+1
Really very useful post. I have nothing to add to it. It remains only to wait for the official reply from 888.

Yeah the response from 888 just astounds me.

Firstly they say chip dumping was from player 1 then say to the regulator it was player 2 and then the official 888 rep arrives and say it's to do with player 3 who wasn't mentioned to the OP or the regulator! But wait, they have special detection methods unknown to the pokerworld that's top secret and can't be discussed.

From what I have always seen chip dumping is raise 99bb and fold for the remaining 1bb rather than both get it in with a decent chance of winning.

No disrespect to the 888 rep and 888 support but surely the amount already lost in rake, the rolls already withdrawn and the damage that this thread and the reps response have already done are far greater than the reimbursement of OPs roll.

And they wonder why so many sites go busto....

888 rep: You come here and say you are a poker player, too, and then give a rebuttal that is incredibly lame and would not satisfy any poker player. As so many above have asked, what more is there? You don't have to show it, just explain its nature. Are there any more hands involved? That's pretty much the key, because chip dumping cannot take place without hands being played, so there is no 'outside evidence' that supersedes the actual hands. OP claims to have posted all relevant hands; has he? As Mike said, if the other players were involved in fraud, fine, confiscate that portion but give OP back his funds and reinstate his account. Don't drop this and hope it blows over, because it won't. Your silence is damning.

Actually so are the responses

I am a little confused on what a player who is accused of any allegations is supposed to do? Clearly the way the rep makes it seem that the site is always 100% right. Even though this has been proven numerous times they are not. Sites normally give hand histories out. Now if OP allows it the hand histories from 888 should be posted.

Now one thing I noticed is the hand histories are not complete. I want to see all the hand histories. Is there anyway to get them?

The reason I state this is the first hand OP is on the BTN. Next hand he is in MP. Then it goes to the SB. I want all of it no matter the action during those sessions.

Edit:

Unless they are out of order for some reason.

This is really sad for online poker.

Is it possible someone higher up from 2p2 could help OP out?

I agree the response from the 888 rep is completely non informative. As someone else said, you said a lot but you really said nothing.

This makes it scary for any poker player to put money online.

What is OP suppose to do?

Dont agree 888Rep - explaining a chip dumping case (assuming thats what this is?) can largely be done by showing publicly available hand histories where two or more players dump chips to each other.

Surely this would be a start if you want to try and look transparent here?

Also, could you clarify who it is that OP is accused of receiving funds from? Intial correspondence clearly states it is "lamlen", while advice from eCogra states it is "Bertunior".

I am not playing on 888 ever again...

Yeah, I PMed 888rep that I agree that he can post on this forum any hands played by me.

bump.

This isn't going to go away.

[ ] have deposited on 888 before
[ x ] might have deposited in the future before reading this
[ ] might deposit now

good luck OP

Silence still? Wow great PR job 888!