Wow!

I am new to online poker, and I have downloaded (but not deposited onto 888) This makes me sick as a new player. I have just responded to a thread about the FTP thieves and it seems like these small operators do whatever they want. I could tell something shady was going on getting pop-ups every hour and every time I logged in (to deposit, I was offered free money on top of the reg welcome bonus.) It seemed a bit much, maybe this is where they are using your money now

So now I have deleted the software and gonna send them a mail to close my account. I only play on PokerStars and will only always ever play there , they have proven to be safe and will pay players, Also I think from the hands above shown that IMO Stars would have thrown this case out long ago. But it seems as if they own this regulator and if they say here are they hands and this is 100% chip dumping then the regulator says yes it is!! , Then you are screwed? LOL would not be me, that is sad.

I can assure you that 888 will never get a deposit from me and I'll be sure to pass this info along to all my poker buddies here in Canada what a joke, I mean come one standard Omaha hands and your chip dumping?


Good luck, and bye bye 888 poker glad I have never deposited to you.

Looks so shady! During this current climate we need reassurance. After the 888 reps comment, I am definately not playing there.

All you have to do is release a single hand that OP left out that looks like chipdumping, you prove OP is a liar and maintain the integrity of your "security".

To my knowledge the track record of 888s security vs 2+2 members is 888 being wrong everytime, so we're gonna need a little more than "trust us"

You only need to disclose hand histories of the person you claim that the chips were dumped too. Quite honestly I think your post tells nothing. No way you can claim to be 100% right. That is an impossibility. I will explain because no two players can even be the same. Plus there is always the possibility of an outlier which would not be under any normal standard deviation. What might look like chip dumping may just be some crazy player. Of course with no disclosure needed it kind of just says we can take your money deal with it. Quite honestly your track record on this forum has not been that great in my opinion. I have seen many threads where you have taken players' money.

Edit:

Don't even get me started on regulation. What the hell does a regulator really do? I have not seen many regulators truly benefit the player at all. Quite honestly I have seen players bankrolls vanish and no consequences to the owners of the poker sites. To be honest regulation means almost nothing.

In the first letter which I received from Cassava:

«Dear Vyacheslav,
I am Francis V. from the Operations Department at Cassava Enterprises (Gibraltar) Ltd. I am contacting you in regards to your LuckyAcePoker.com account with username "LuckySraki".
We have become alerted to several patterns of play upon your account that indicate
a breach of our Terms and Conditions. We have conducted an investigation into your
account to discover any signs of fraudulent activity. The patterns we are concerned
with include members intentionally losing hands through our tables.
Therefore, in accordance with these conditions, your account with ourselves has been
blocked. If you know of any reasons, contrary to the above, please could you inform us of these.
If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to contact us.
Regards,
Francis V.
Operations Department
Cassava (Gibraltar) Ltd.
operations@cassava.net »



it is said that my account is blocked temporarily and you give me the chance to offer explanations. I'm explaining you about 5 months that I am not a fraudster. But you simply don't listen me and don't tell me in what specifically you accuse me.
Why you didn't block at once me permanently then if you have conclusive evidence which you can't post here? You still don't need my explanations and proofs. All that you are saying isn't logical...Sadly it all

i have been following this thread each time opening it and hoping that there would be a resolution. 888rep u must think u are dealing with 3 year olds by posting that response.

really? posting the hands in question would do that?

someone pls correct me if i am wrong and i very well may be making very poor assumption here but do the "regulators" know anything about poker? i am assuming it is just tiers of paper pushers. so to me this point is moot.

i have been playing poker online since 2004 or 2005 (in fact pacific was my first ever site) and although i am recreational i do get friends who have never played online before ask me all the time about my opinion of different sites to start play on. and since 888 ads do get played here on tv your site does come up often in conversation. as of now i do not consider your site safe to play on. this probably means very little to u and 888 but just thought i would come on here and say so.

how about just post one hand?

"If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to contact us."

level?

find a way to do so. we can not verify that either OP / you posted the full story. insufficient data available.

So disgusting.

Ok is OP missing any hand histories?

gotta keep bumping this make sure it stays high on page 1 so everyone sees what a **** room 888 is

This is absolutely outrageous just cashed out on 888 for around ~8k. They have the worst PR and cannot deal with issues. Horrific site.

http://www.888.com/Security-and-Priv...-Agreement.htm

"If your account is associated with poker fraud in any way – for example through Chip Dumping, Collusion, or the receipt of fraudulent Money Transfers – your account may be terminated, and we will be under no obligation to refund to you the funds from your account. This is irrespective of whether your account can be proven as intentionally receiving funds from a fraudulent user.

In the event of a poker fraud investigation we are under no obligation to accept any explanation provided for the receipt of fraudulent funds. If such an investigation is resolved, and your account is reopened, we may choose to remove the amount of fraudulent funds from your bankroll."

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888Rep

It is obviously possible that the other players involved may have been associated with fraudulent activity. We do not have enough information about their funds or overall play.

However, it is quite clear that no one here thinks that the OP was involved in chip-dumping from the hands shown and said to be the only ones played with the other players, by the OP.

I am certain that the OP, assuming he is innocent of any wrongdoing, will not be fully satisfied unless he receives his $5000 from you, but, in accordance with your own T&C, it would be simple for you to come to a reasonable compromise, immediately, and agree to give him his own $3000 back, and keep the $2000 you think was dumped to him, without your having to admit that you may be wrong in this particular case. (You could provide a "Freeroll for Twoplustwo Users" for their assistance and general awesomeness with the $2000, maybe, instead of keeping it for yourselves? )

Perhaps your records show that the $2000 was definitely fraudulent funds? Even so, just because a thief plays like a maniac with money that isn't his, it does not necessarily mean the winners in his games are in league with him. This is why it would be a fair compromise and resolution to give OP back his own $3000.

While OP may remain unhappy, I believe that taking such action will go some way towards reestablishing your seriously tarnished reputation with the other users of Twoplustwo. I know from experience that without your taking such reasonable action, this thread will never go away, and it will be bumped and referred to in every future case of complaint about 888, ad infinitum.

Please don't let simple inflexible stubbornness of, "But we're right! We know we are!" over $3000 cost you tens of thousands of dollars in lost rake in the months to come, not to mention the serious damage to your reputation as a major provider in this highly emotive arena.

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@888rep

You say you are a poker player? How would you feel when your bankroll was taken on wrong claims and you wouldn't get any explanation at all?