I've decided to cashout my roll on 888 and play on Stars until there is an official response about this. I dont feel safe enough to keep the money I need to be playing 1/2 on a site that treats its players like this.

It bothers me when I see threads like this. It feels like our money isn't safe anywhere besides pokerstars. I've PMed the 888 rep, strongly worded. The least he can do is address this thread, and explain 888s actions.

I hope everyone who sees this thread PMs the 888 rep as well, our only protection from these sites is each other. It isn't as good as an legit regulatory body, but the least we can do is let these sites know we see when they take extremely shady actions. When they decide to randomly loot 5k from an account we need to make sure they lose 10k in rake from players who cashout or will never deposit there now.

Hopefully you are giving us all of the information OP, and not making a fool of us. Unless the 888 rep can prove otherwise I support you, because I can't imagine how frustrating something like this would be.

Thanks for the help. I hope it will help.
I am repeating that they didn't show me hands in which they suspect me of a chip dumping. They only told that the player "Lamlen" is intentionally losing a hand to me. But after long correspondence they changed the opinion and accused me against the player of "Bertunior".
I guarantee that never was engaged in fraud and always played by rules poker rooms. As proofs I can post all correspondence with Cassava, eCOGRA and GRA. Also I could organize a session through a screen viewer and I will show you all the hands against players of Lamlen and Bertunior in HM. These are the same hands that I posted in the first post of this thread (22 hands against Lamlen and 10 hands against Bertunior). There were even those hands where I won/lost 1sb.

Hello
First of all, I’d like to say a few words as a poker player, especially to players who took the time to PM me and took a stand in this thread, showing their support for the OP.
I would’ve probably done the same.

I know just “how bad” it looks; how important it is for 888poker to be as transparent as possible in cases concerning player bankrolls.

However…
The information made available in this thread is barely partial, and bears little to no significance to the actual case. Explaining the case would require 888poker to disclose a lot of personal and statistical gameplay information about several players including our internal fraud detection mechanisms, something that we can not do in this forum.

We have done that immediately when approached by our Regulator. We have provided them with the entire set of all the relevant data regarding this complicated case and it would’ve simplified everything for 888poker here as well if we could just post it.
But we can’t.
As a poker operator, even if we know we’re 100% right, and all the information regarding this case has been independently verified by our Regulator, we just can’t dump this kind of data in public.

Run Good

888Rep

First post but felt I had to write something.

Feel you as an 888 rep have replied in this thread in the most flippant and not bothered way that you possibly could. You talk about not being able to disclose personal information as to how you came to the decision.

He shows you every single hand which he played with the two players you accuse him of participating in chip dumping. We don't need your information he is willing to and already has posted all the information you/we need to see.

There is over $5000 dollars in this mans account. He deposited $3000 of his own money. How you think you can just close his account and take this guys money is beyond ridiculous. You're a bunch of thieves.

You do not even answer or acknowledge the fact that you told him the chip dumping was apparently with one guy "lamlen", but then you tell eCOGRA that it is another person altogether "berbertrain" or something like that. How did you not address this?

I feel this is a disgrace as all poker players here that play and understand Omaha can see that the hands he posted are standard. This guy is looking into court proceedings do you really thing he would be looking to go that far if he was really chip dumping?

I feel it is your duty to sort this absolute mess out and get this mans account back in order. TwoPlusTwo is a big force in the online poker world and this thread and subsequent other threads can snowball into a lot of support for NOT going near 888/Cassava ever again.

Please go back and sort this out.

To fellow 2+2er's I hope this was ok for a first post I'm a long time reader of the forum.

Anyway best of luck OP do not give up!

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888rep, are you still maintaining that chipdumping took place at a 6max table by one or both of the players named in your emails, the hand histories for which we have seen, or not ?

How does a player get the opportunity to rebut an accusation made by you, supposing for a moment that it is made in good faith but is incorrect ?

You wrote a lot, but in fact did not write anything.
Let's think logically. I was accused of chipdamping against players Lamlen and Bertunior. Right? There were have not other charges to me...
I posted all hands which I've played with them! Nobody here saw the chipdamping in these hands! So you can do one of two conclusions:
1) I am not a fraudster.
2) I am a fraudster, because all of players who expressed an opinion here (including me) do not understand anything in the game and can be locked in a similar way without any explanation.
This post I wrote more, even for members of the forum. Because it has little faith in the fairness of the 888 poker network... So you decide to play in the 888 network or not.
Of course in our world, the right is which who has more rights. And this rule is successfuly uses by the 888 network. And their reputation as I have understood they are really do not care. It is a pity that I played in your network. I hope this thread will help other players do not get in my situation.

P.S. The 888 poker network have stolen (no other words) from me $5361. $3000 of them were my deposit...

Give me back my money.

What other relevant data would we need besides the HH?

What is there to gain from chip dumping? Who is the victim?

Tell then whats missing? All the hands were posted? Man this thread makes me sick to my stomach.....

Thiefs gonna thief

I was about to cashout most of my roll until a rep said something about the OP. Now im cashing out the whole thing.

Wow!

I am new to online poker, and I have downloaded (but not deposited onto 888) This makes me sick as a new player. I have just responded to a thread about the FTP thieves and it seems like these small operators do whatever they want. I could tell something shady was going on getting pop-ups every hour and every time I logged in (to deposit, I was offered free money on top of the reg welcome bonus.) It seemed a bit much, maybe this is where they are using your money now

So now I have deleted the software and gonna send them a mail to close my account. I only play on PokerStars and will only always ever play there , they have proven to be safe and will pay players, Also I think from the hands above shown that IMO Stars would have thrown this case out long ago. But it seems as if they own this regulator and if they say here are they hands and this is 100% chip dumping then the regulator says yes it is!! , Then you are screwed? LOL would not be me, that is sad.

I can assure you that 888 will never get a deposit from me and I'll be sure to pass this info along to all my poker buddies here in Canada what a joke, I mean come one standard Omaha hands and your chip dumping?


Good luck, and bye bye 888 poker glad I have never deposited to you.

Looks so shady! During this current climate we need reassurance. After the 888 reps comment, I am definately not playing there.

All you have to do is release a single hand that OP left out that looks like chipdumping, you prove OP is a liar and maintain the integrity of your "security".

To my knowledge the track record of 888s security vs 2+2 members is 888 being wrong everytime, so we're gonna need a little more than "trust us"

You only need to disclose hand histories of the person you claim that the chips were dumped too. Quite honestly I think your post tells nothing. No way you can claim to be 100% right. That is an impossibility. I will explain because no two players can even be the same. Plus there is always the possibility of an outlier which would not be under any normal standard deviation. What might look like chip dumping may just be some crazy player. Of course with no disclosure needed it kind of just says we can take your money deal with it. Quite honestly your track record on this forum has not been that great in my opinion. I have seen many threads where you have taken players' money.

Edit:

Don't even get me started on regulation. What the hell does a regulator really do? I have not seen many regulators truly benefit the player at all. Quite honestly I have seen players bankrolls vanish and no consequences to the owners of the poker sites. To be honest regulation means almost nothing.

In the first letter which I received from Cassava:

«Dear Vyacheslav,
I am Francis V. from the Operations Department at Cassava Enterprises (Gibraltar) Ltd. I am contacting you in regards to your LuckyAcePoker.com account with username "LuckySraki".
We have become alerted to several patterns of play upon your account that indicate
a breach of our Terms and Conditions. We have conducted an investigation into your
account to discover any signs of fraudulent activity. The patterns we are concerned
with include members intentionally losing hands through our tables.
Therefore, in accordance with these conditions, your account with ourselves has been
blocked. If you know of any reasons, contrary to the above, please could you inform us of these.
If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to contact us.
Regards,
Francis V.
Operations Department
Cassava (Gibraltar) Ltd.
operations@cassava.net »



it is said that my account is blocked temporarily and you give me the chance to offer explanations. I'm explaining you about 5 months that I am not a fraudster. But you simply don't listen me and don't tell me in what specifically you accuse me.
Why you didn't block at once me permanently then if you have conclusive evidence which you can't post here? You still don't need my explanations and proofs. All that you are saying isn't logical...Sadly it all

i have been following this thread each time opening it and hoping that there would be a resolution. 888rep u must think u are dealing with 3 year olds by posting that response.

really? posting the hands in question would do that?

someone pls correct me if i am wrong and i very well may be making very poor assumption here but do the "regulators" know anything about poker? i am assuming it is just tiers of paper pushers. so to me this point is moot.

i have been playing poker online since 2004 or 2005 (in fact pacific was my first ever site) and although i am recreational i do get friends who have never played online before ask me all the time about my opinion of different sites to start play on. and since 888 ads do get played here on tv your site does come up often in conversation. as of now i do not consider your site safe to play on. this probably means very little to u and 888 but just thought i would come on here and say so.

how about just post one hand?

"If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to contact us."

level?

find a way to do so. we can not verify that either OP / you posted the full story. insufficient data available.

So disgusting.

Ok is OP missing any hand histories?

gotta keep bumping this make sure it stays high on page 1 so everyone sees what a **** room 888 is

This is absolutely outrageous just cashed out on 888 for around ~8k. They have the worst PR and cannot deal with issues. Horrific site.

http://www.888.com/Security-and-Priv...-Agreement.htm

"If your account is associated with poker fraud in any way – for example through Chip Dumping, Collusion, or the receipt of fraudulent Money Transfers – your account may be terminated, and we will be under no obligation to refund to you the funds from your account. This is irrespective of whether your account can be proven as intentionally receiving funds from a fraudulent user.

In the event of a poker fraud investigation we are under no obligation to accept any explanation provided for the receipt of fraudulent funds. If such an investigation is resolved, and your account is reopened, we may choose to remove the amount of fraudulent funds from your bankroll."

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888Rep

It is obviously possible that the other players involved may have been associated with fraudulent activity. We do not have enough information about their funds or overall play.

However, it is quite clear that no one here thinks that the OP was involved in chip-dumping from the hands shown and said to be the only ones played with the other players, by the OP.

I am certain that the OP, assuming he is innocent of any wrongdoing, will not be fully satisfied unless he receives his $5000 from you, but, in accordance with your own T&C, it would be simple for you to come to a reasonable compromise, immediately, and agree to give him his own $3000 back, and keep the $2000 you think was dumped to him, without your having to admit that you may be wrong in this particular case. (You could provide a "Freeroll for Twoplustwo Users" for their assistance and general awesomeness with the $2000, maybe, instead of keeping it for yourselves? )

Perhaps your records show that the $2000 was definitely fraudulent funds? Even so, just because a thief plays like a maniac with money that isn't his, it does not necessarily mean the winners in his games are in league with him. This is why it would be a fair compromise and resolution to give OP back his own $3000.

While OP may remain unhappy, I believe that taking such action will go some way towards reestablishing your seriously tarnished reputation with the other users of Twoplustwo. I know from experience that without your taking such reasonable action, this thread will never go away, and it will be bumped and referred to in every future case of complaint about 888, ad infinitum.

Please don't let simple inflexible stubbornness of, "But we're right! We know we are!" over $3000 cost you tens of thousands of dollars in lost rake in the months to come, not to mention the serious damage to your reputation as a major provider in this highly emotive arena.

Do Good

@888rep

You say you are a poker player? How would you feel when your bankroll was taken on wrong claims and you wouldn't get any explanation at all?