are u serious? did u already saw the other hands?

It's amazing how someone can be so smart to get to this point, and then so be so dumb to make it as obvious as he is.

Typical fish. "You were behind and got caught bluffing. Play better"

You're either trolling, or a fish. But most people with a clue can see that this is obvious cheating...especially when it's happening to other regs.

So, as I see it, only the second hand is something that looks like a potential potripper scenario.

The first hand

In the first hand, he makes what would have to be a pretty terrible call against a preflop shove for 10BB. Sure, probably not a good move, but you've got to ask why he bothers doing that if he can see the cards?

If you've got the ability to see them, then why not fold here, and go back to playing post-flop, no problem poker? Seems like a way better idea. Also, if he has the ability to see the cards, why hasn't he used it so far? He's barely leading in chips here. He should be quite further ahead. Seems much more likely that he's just either (a) - gambling, or (b) spazzing out in frustration.

I'd also point out that in the context of a tournament, it should be pretty easy to spot someone acting weirdly. One hand out of context doesn't help.

Ultimately, I don't think one hand can be conclusive. If there are other hands to go through, they might advance the argument that he's got access to hole cards, but it hardly seems conclusive at this stage.

The second hand

It's been said before, but this one is the tough one to explain. As I read it, Hero checkraises flop with air on a paired board. Cool, should induce a fold a whole bunch, but this guy doesn't. Instead, he calls.

Maybe he thinks it's a bluff and is planning to take it away on the turn and chickens out? But I can't ever get past the call on the river. It's not clear from the HH whether it's a tournament (it looks like it), but calling that amount off for information just wouldn't be a possibility imo.

This is the one that looks likely that he can see hole cards.

Hand 3

I don't buy that he can see the cards here. He makes the aggressive bet, not you. If he could see cards, why would he bother shoving when you have so many outs?

I think he likely shoves turn hoping to fold you out hands you can c-bet with but can't face any resistance. If you don't fold an 8 or a 9, then by definition, you can't have a flush draw, and he has outs. If you have a flush draw, then he might be getting it in with the best of it (as it turns out he did).

It would be one thing if he called off with Q high, but he bet it. I don't think this one is a problem.

Hand 4

It looks to me like he's really valued his hand and bet it all three streets. Not sure about the wisdom of it, but that's how it reads to me. He sees a shove on the river, thinks its pretty desperate, and calls off.

I'm not saying that would necessarily be the best play or the worst - I'm definitely not qualified for that. But these are definitely things that the player legitimately could have been thinking about.

As I see it, there's one hand that looks impossible to explain. But one hand on its own isn't conclusive for me. It could be a misclick, or something similar. Things happen. Of course, if you have more posted hands that show the kind of stuff happening in Hand 2 again, then that's a *lot* harder to explain away.

You forgot to mention this: ZERO bad calls on river in 20 games! Do you know thats nearly impossible?

I didn't forget to mention it. You've alleged it, and you've not done anything to prove it. What you have posted has been inconclusive so far.

He is ahead with 72% prolly thats the reason. I don't play hu sngs so don't know how much time you have to just grind your opponent dead if you can see the cards.

Several regs lost the same way i did. Only one hand is mine... so if several regs complained, dont u think that something is wrong?

Its hard to believe that a guy can see cards? For me it's 100% confirmed.

Just waiting for the investigation is over. And lets hope everyone get a refund.

I'm one of the high stakes regs on this network. I almost exclusively play 5/10 heads up.
2 days ago I have reported player "sunnny" to the chico support for fraud. It was obvious to me that he can see the cards. I then spoke to my affi, who sent me this link and asked me if I have played these 2 players...sunnny and damjanoid
I have played against these 2 almost 1000 hands. First was very depressed for not being able do anything agains pretty obvious fish, but after a while I started to wonder....raises at exactly right moments, barreling with 0 mistakes,, donk reraises-0 mistakes....biggest pot I have managed to win was a bit over 700usd, when I called 2 streets in 3b pot and hit a straight on river and he checked behind.
You people can say whatever you want, but I have played poker for ages and I have never reported anyone for anything... but this is just too obvious to ignore.

Do you use Skype? As others have said, more likely they can see YOUR cards (via virus/whatever) then being a network super user.

i use skype, but not when I play and not on that computer.

None of my other sites have been affected, if it was a virus issue, i would be getting sat on party, ipoker other sites etc

^ true unless US player

Please just ignore this guy, he won over like 300 hands on OurGame poker and decided to defend them untill they decided not to pay him. He's a confused fish.

no i am not

I meant the person you were playing could have been from US, not you.


Was that why I defended them? Or was is cuz I recieved my first cashout within 5 days? Nah, couldn't have been that.....
I've been playing online since you were sucking on ur moms tit. So yeah, like 5 years now xp

I went to add these players to my buddy list to make sure to avoid them and see if they were playing. They were currently playing each other in a $200 HU SNG. Damjanoid ended up winning with Sunnny making an incorrect river call. Hand #1624462128. Not sure it's possible to look up hands you weren't in though.

LOL a investigation is opened.. so damjanoid cant withdraw the money. I saw him chip dumping money to sunnny in 500s HU. I algo played vs sunnny: won 0 games.
This is not a vírus. This is for sure super user.
I just wonder why no one of chico come and say something here about this.

What happen to the tiger gaming rep that was posting all the time, can some mods help maybe ? sending pm's or contacting tiger reps or BOL reps ? to view this thread and give some updates...

Mods have no special PMing powers; you can PM any reps just as well as a mod can.

Was thinking that if this was a big issue we'd have a little more hard evidence by now. Lots of anecdotal evidence so far; perhaps one of you should try gathering the evidence together as others did for the AP/UB scandals.

Cheating confirmed. Plaid 16 tournaments vs this guy, won 3 by bad beats preflop, lost the others w/o showdown and all showdowns (I mean literally ALL showdowns), never get called by worst hand on the river.
Send the warning to tigergaming support on 3th of june, get the answer that they will investigate this 2 days later. Today is 22 of june and nothing happens. But the guy is still playing.

what kind of evidence do you mean? I would be happy to provide evidence, but all I can do is post hands. I'm even willing to pay for a heads up poker authority by the community choice to review all the hand histories of these 2 usernames. I believe the only hard evidence could come from chico networks poker team and their programmers. But I fear they have no intention, nor interest to share that evidence with us. My guess is they will close these 2 accounts once they try to payout and simply collect the money....
On other sites, for example PS, if they find out that there was some misdoing, such as collusion for example, they refund all the affected players. But the players themselves have no real hard evidence to post in that case as well.
In my opinion, poker network is the one who should join this conversation and eventually provide evidence of guilt or innocence. It is their job to provide a friendly and especially safe environment for all the players.

I have heard that www.sportsbookreview.com can help regarding chico issues. Does anybody have experience with them? Crispoker10 perhaps you should start a discussion on their forum as well. They grade sportsbooks at that site, and BOL and SB have a very high grade. Perhaps if somebody from SBR should contact them, they would be willing to listen.

Is there a hand converter for Chico? To import hand histories into HM2 or PT4?

It would be interesting [to me anyway] to see a table of players to see how these two players' W$SD & other relevant stats compares with the field rather than just looking at very suspicious specific hands. You could blur out the names of non-involved players.

Post the hands, without it posts like these are useless.