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01-22-2017 , 09:11 AM
Hello, I’ve been playing poker since 2009 and been a black member of PokerStrategy Russian Community since 2014. My nickname is s3lassie. I firstly played on MicroGaming Network, but in 2016 I moved to PartyPoker. I play 6Max Cash, NL200-NL1000. I started to play on PartPoker in March 2016 and it was going well through 2016, but at the beginning of 2017 my account was blocked and all my money confiscated. I have about 60k$.

I haven’t played a single hand in 2017, I only made a deposit to get a reload bonus. I was given 7 reload bonuses (200$ each) at the end of the year. 2 days after I had made a deposit I wanted to open my client and start playing, but I got a message that my account was blocked. I started to write PartyPoker’s live chat, they said that their security team is checking my account and they wanted to call me and ask some questions. I am not that good at English, so I could only talk in Russian with them. Then I had a call, there was a woman who said that she spoke on behalf of PartyPoker, and they wanted her to ask me some questions, translate them to English and send my responses. It was evident that she didn’t have any authority and they just don’t have a person qualified enough for this task. It was working like a broken telephone. After the conversation she said that she would transfer my responses to them and they needed 24 hours to make a decision. 24 hours passed, I wrote lo live chat myself because there wasn’t anything happening. 2 hours later a man called me, again a person, who had no authority and was just for translation, he told me that my account was blocked, my money confiscated. The reason was that I used artificial intelligence. He also told me that their decision was final and he didn’t have any details because he just transferred this information to me. I tried to get in touch with someone who has any kind of authority in PartyPoker, but no use. Their security team doesn’t talk to clients at all. I still didn’t get an official letter with explanations what is very strange, since I was blocked 4 days ago and still no official letter. Everything has to be ready and all investigations done the very moment you block someone.

When I play I use only Holdem Manager 2, I don’t use seating scripts, PartyCaption or anything like that. I have never used any kind of artificial intelligence, only my own head. I am an average regular of middle stakes, I attach my results for the period since I started playing on PartyPoker.
Results: http://dropmefiles.com/W8a8J

I am ready to provide any proofs of my innocence (my computer, database) and answer any questions, but unfortunately I am no asked any questions, and PartyPoker doesn’t need any proofs. They just blocked me with no explanations and no investigations done.

I ask for a feedback from the community, people who know me, people who played with me. Please support me and say that I’m not a bot. I would also like to have a response from an official representative of PartPoker on 2+2, Party_Rep.
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01-22-2017 , 10:39 AM
So the person that wrote this post is decently qualified in english grammar, yet you are not?

Sounds to me like there's a qualified programmer that bought your identity, used it to bot and couldnt speak on your behalf with party.

I personally wouldn't believe anyone that has played poker for a living for 7 years that can't speak English. The programmers are most likely running out of identities and now using broke farmer type russians.

Good on party.. they are extremely slow to ban bots, they must have a LOT of proof that you are not making your decisions by yourself.
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01-22-2017 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by botsonparty
So the person that wrote this post is decently qualified in english grammar, yet you are not?

Sounds to me like there's a qualified programmer that bought your identity, used it to bot and couldnt speak on your behalf with party.

I personally wouldn't believe anyone that has played poker for a living for 7 years that can't speak English. The programmers are most likely running out of identities and now using broke farmer type russians.

Good on party.. they are extremely slow to ban bots, they must have a LOT of proof that you are not making your decisions by yourself.
It's possible to be relatively fluent in writing but to struggle when speaking a language.

Party does have a long-running Russian bot problem so you won't get too much sympathy OP whether innocent or not. Perhaps post your stats and pm the user "Lessu" to have a look, he's done a lot of bot-hunting on Party.
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01-22-2017 , 11:00 AM
Any midstake bot that is banned most likely goes through lessu anyways.

OP being russian at 200nl+ adds a 99,9999% chance that he is using a converter for his hud. What confuses me too is that he didnt change his name when it was allowed. Every human did, most bots did not(they are ran by idiotic farmers that can barely do more than click on command)
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01-22-2017 , 11:08 AM
botsonparty, i got some help to write this post. Is there anything wrong with it? To defend me a bit more, imagine a situation if i was using a bot i would never ever keep so much money on my account. I haven't done a single cash out since March 2016. I can provide all my stats, results, answer any questions and everything which can help investigation. I've already posted some of my results at the very first post.
I can write to 'Lessu' and provide my detailed stats, but since I am a new user on 2+2, i can't send private messages.
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01-22-2017 , 11:16 AM
you received help again for this quick reply?

Maybe as a russian potato farmer you werent able to confirm your bank details correctly for a cashout? Maybe you were looking ona way to put the money in an other country? How did you live off poker without being able to cashout for 400k hands?
Why would you keep 60k as a human player anyways? most of your play is nl200-400 and 60k is way too much to simply bumhunt 1k 5k hands per year.

Nothing you are posting makes any sense. All we know is party really hates banning bots so if you are banned theres almost no chance you arent a cheater.
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01-22-2017 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by s3lassie
botsonparty, i got some help to write this post. Is there anything wrong with it? To defend me a bit more, imagine a situation if i was using a bot i would never ever keep so much money on my account. I haven't done a single cash out since March 2016. I can provide all my stats, results, answer any questions and everything which can help investigation. I've already posted some of my results at the very first post.
I can write to 'Lessu' and provide my detailed stats, but since I am a new user on 2+2, i can't send private messages.
Have you been playing on any other sites as well as Party since March 2016?
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01-22-2017 , 11:28 AM
botsonparty, i dont see your point at all. I have a friend sitting next to me who is helping me with the translation. You dont know me, why do you make so many conclusions? Not very polite and if you keep talking to me in this style, unfortunately you will have no answer. Manners please.
Husker, I have been playing only on PartyPoker since March 2016.
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01-22-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by s3lassie
I haven't done a single cash out since March 2016.
Why not? There must be a reason why someone keeps 60k on his account and doesn't cash out in 10 month.
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01-22-2017 , 11:43 AM
All i know is that one of the largest seller of russian bot accounts is really keen on telling people they have "bad manners" and that over the last decade online, he is one of about 3 people i have seen using that word as if it mattered.

if you want to prove you don't cheat, a good way would be to post your vs people tab for the last month

that way we can see if you are using a hud cheat.
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01-22-2017 , 12:17 PM
Why i kept so much money on my account? Good question. Ok, will try to say my reasons. I am from Ukraine, i had enough money on my bank account for the previous year, so i didn't need to cash out from my account. Also I believed that it was safer to keep money on my PartyPoker account then in some ukrainian banks.
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01-22-2017 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by botsonparty
What confuses me too is that he didnt change his name when it was allowed. Every human did, most bots did not(they are ran by idiotic farmers that can barely do more than click on command)
Funny thing you mentioned that. There's another Russian player who was also banned by PP and lost a few tens of thousands $. He's now suing them. Well, one of PP's lines of defense is that that player changed his name frequently and that according to them is a sign of his intention

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to misrepresent his experience and abilities to other players
and they apparently consider it a quality of a cheating player.

Last edited by Dustangel; 01-22-2017 at 01:55 PM.
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01-22-2017 , 02:15 PM
The point still stands. 100% of the player pool i have played againsts that has not changed names are various type of bots all from russia/ukraine/belarus and fishes.
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01-22-2017 , 02:29 PM
botsonparty, i attach this tab vs opponents, but what doest it prove?
If you just blame people without having any evidence, what i see you doing there is no constructive argument with you. I start to be suspicious that you are paid for it. So, i strongly ask you either to be constructive and dont make false conclusions based on nothing or just keep quiet.
Tab vs opponents: http://dropmefiles.com/1KGIY
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01-22-2017 , 02:36 PM
It would be insane for a bot to keep 50k online.

It is also insane that someone high in PP security team hasnt contacted OP when that much money is at stake.

Idk if OP is innocent or not. Just pointing out 2 insane things.
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01-22-2017 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by s3lassie
botsonparty, i attach this tab vs opponents, but what doest it prove?
If you just blame people without having any evidence, what i see you doing there is no constructive argument with you. I start to be suspicious that you are paid for it. So, i strongly ask you either to be constructive and dont make false conclusions based on nothing or just keep quiet.
Tab vs opponents: http://dropmefiles.com/1KGIY
Anyone know if that's safe to click on? Googled the website and got a bunch of results in Russian.
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01-22-2017 , 03:52 PM
Website is legit, just a file hosting.
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01-22-2017 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by morilka
Website is legit, just a file hosting.
Thanks. Looks like he wasn't using a converter which is a point in his favour (although maybe they save the raw hands too?).
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01-22-2017 , 04:45 PM
from the stats he would be a basic homemade bonus bot if he is

just wanted him to post more stats, he could easily hide the converter part.
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01-22-2017 , 05:59 PM
User botsonparty using the term 'bot' in 99% of all his 427 posts untill this date really cracks me up every time.

Also lol @ a bot-operator keeping 60k online to play midstakes. OP, just try to get in contact with party, have your friend sitting next to you call and translate in real time. Not even being contacted by security for such a large sum is insane.
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01-23-2017 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kelnel
It would be insane for a bot to keep 50k online.

It is also insane that someone high in PP security team hasnt contacted OP when that much money is at stake.

Idk if OP is innocent or not. Just pointing out 2 insane things.
Completely agree. If funds are confiscated the player deserves to see the evidence and get a full explanation.
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02-06-2017 , 04:27 PM
How did it end up?
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02-11-2017 , 07:35 PM
Hi,
I want to say a big thank you to all the players and users who have supported me. This is very important for me.

My story is not over here, my account at PartyPoker is closed and the funds frozen (60250$). I contacted them a lot of times, but received the same type of answer from customer service ("Your account has been closed, and the money is frozen. Currently your case in under investigation and we can not give you more information").

PartyPoker it's not interested even to speak with me or make me questions where i can explain my position. They clearly refuse to give a detailed explanation of the reasons for blocking my account.

I understand that many of you don't know me, that's why i would like to say a little bit about me. I am from Ukraine and my name is Ruslan. I play poker for more than 8 years. Before i was playing in Microgaming, my nick names there was: deranged38, easytarget and aferdon. aferdon is my nickname in the room PokerHeaven, which closed around a year ago. After PokerHeaven closed, i decided to start playing in PartyPoker, where i made my first deposit of 5.000$. I had account in PartyPoker(nickname s3lassie) from 2010, but before i was playing there DON, But then I began to play cash games in Microgaming and the whole last year i played in PartyPoker cash. I have VIP status black member at PokerStrategy, I am an old and proven user of this site. Never have got banns in other poker rooms. I never have been under suspicion and never broke the rules.

As confirmation of my words, I would like to lay out my graphic by month since the start of the game at PartyPoker.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pcyzg809v...34KLehYZa?dl=0


I would like that people who know poker, to look and say whether it looks like a bot game or not. I played against many strong Russian community regulars and they believe that I am not a bot. I think that here, also are people who have played against me.

I am ready to provide any information which prove my words and that i'm innocent. I have nothing to hide. As I understood, I was accused that I used software that helped me make decisions. But this is not the case. I use only legal online poker software that is approved for use in PartyPoker. It is Holdem Manager 2. To analyze my game I used Equilab, Flopzilla and Piosolver.

There is no other software I have used, no other software was never installed on my computer. And I'm ready to give my PC for be verified.

Having in mind the above wrote, I believe that PartyPoker stole my money and my account was blocked for no apparent reason. Refuse to go on contact with me and does not provide any evidence of my guilt, and don't explain clearly in what I'm guilty!

I know that these kind of topics are not the first time published in this forum. The last I was able to find it is:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...rever-1574819/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=25969

I kindly ask you to refrain from comments like: "Oh, again banned another Russian bot"
They bann All! Russian, Polish, Finns, Spanish and the next may be you !
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02-11-2017 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by s3lassie
Also I believed that it was safer to keep money on my PartyPoker account then in some ukrainian banks.
Are a lot of Ukranian banks shady or something? I don't see how a financial institution holding your money would be less safe than keeping it in limbo on a gambling site (granted a fairly reputable one).

Sorry to hear about this OP. If your story is exactly as told, it would be pretty awful if they decided to confiscate your funds. I'm also kind of amazed that you haven't been contacted directly by PartyPoker security with over a year's salary at stake.

Did you ever use Piosolver/Flopzilla while you had the client running? Not sure about Party's TAC, but I do believe that's grounds for having your account blocked on Stars.
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02-12-2017 , 01:05 AM
Bro his Stars acc is not blocked. He gave proofs on other forum. The same story with stealing money was with other player from russian community smth like 20k and he hasnt recived them yet. Pity is that players arent given any evidence, just standart comeoffs that they were using bots. It must be really weird to be a bot and keep such sums on accs. For some people its life changing money.Players are ready to give all proofs but the support is uncompromising. For me its just pure robbery. Hope players have their money back
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