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PartyPoker 839 turbo STTs, ROI : 66%. Must be nice.. (MN: cheating uncovered) PartyPoker 839 turbo STTs, ROI : 66%. Must be nice.. (MN: cheating uncovered)

10-13-2011 , 06:04 AM
How nice that party let you change screen name every month? So it is harder for the players to catch cheaters..

If the pokersites had good security guys catching these kind of things it would be good. But now it is just stupid. But I guess they think they get the rake anyway, atleast short term...
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10-13-2011 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Gazillion
Well, assuming he always has 2 other ghost players in every game, just deduct buyin*2*games played from his winnings.

E.g if he had only played $50 games, just deduct games*100 from his profit.
I've been really dumb somewhere with this. He'd be a net loser if the above were true.
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10-13-2011 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Gazillion
I've been really dumb somewhere with this. He'd be a net loser if the above were true.
Correct me if I'm wrong but he would only be a net loser if he had to fund the other 2 'ghost' accounts. If the other 2 'ghost' accounts are always new accounts being given free money then as long as he never finishes out of the money in the account: Farafon111; he maintains his insane ROI right?
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10-13-2011 , 06:47 AM
Pretty certain that all these accounts are his:



Add KunsWif4, mourblant87, bavilok71 to that list of his accounts


The weird thing is, if you take a look at their recent games, they all occasionally play HU $6 super turbos vs each other. Most likely explanation I can think of would be that maybe from time to time he just needs to dump $5 from one account or another - either because one account is nearly busto, or because one account needs an extra $5 to buy into a $55 game.









I could keep grabbing screenshots, but I'm sure you get the idea.
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10-13-2011 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Craggoo
Correct me if I'm wrong but he would only be a net loser if he had to fund the other 2 'ghost' accounts. If the other 2 'ghost' accounts are always new accounts being given free money then as long as he never finishes out of the money in the account: Farafon111; he maintains his insane ROI right?
Yeah I was thinking this, and this may well be the reason why all the accounts occasionally play a $6 HU ST vs another one of his "ghosts".

E.G:

New account gets $50 free money. Not quite enough to play a $55 6max, but if the account can get another $5 dumped to it in a HU game then it will be possible to play.

Check this playing history out:



Those are all the games played on that account. If the account started with $50 free, then the 1st HU game he plays vs another ghost account puts him at $55. He then wins $65 in the next game, making the account $120. He then loses the next 2 games for $55 each, leaving $10 in the account, at which point the money in the account is no longer good so he dumps what he can of it to another ghost in the final (most recent) HU match.
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10-13-2011 , 07:00 AM
Gd work gazillion,

As always when the **** hits the fan at party, party_rep is straight on the scene

A big worry given party allow sn changes, all the stuff about bots and they don't even pick up this guy!

Seems it's gotta be pokerstars or live if wana play
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10-13-2011 , 07:05 AM
I wonder if a pokerstrategy rep would be able to confirm if all the above accounts were affiliates of theirs or not?
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10-13-2011 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Gazillion
Yeah I was thinking this, and this may well be the reason why all the accounts occasionally play a $6 HU ST vs another one of his "ghosts".

E.G:

New account gets $50 free money. Not quite enough to play a $55 6max, but if the account can get another $5 dumped to it in a HU game then it will be possible to play.

Check this playing history out:



Those are all the games played on that account. If the account started with $50 free, then the 1st HU game he plays vs another ghost account puts him at $55. He then wins $65 in the next game, making the account $120. He then loses the next 2 games for $55 each, leaving $10 in the account, at which point the money in the account is no longer good so he dumps what he can of it to another ghost in the final (most recent) HU match.
If you continue this ad nauseam then as long as he can continue to make new accounts through affiliates offering $50 free to new signups he could continue the cycle indefinitely right?
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10-13-2011 , 07:40 AM
yeah, in fact I'm pretty sure that's what he's been doing now that I've actually bothered to take a closer look at it. I guess he tries to keep 3 or 4 accounts going at once, and uses them until he's exhausted their funds. He then creates a new account and repeats the process. This would def explain why some accounts only have 5 games on them and some run into double figures.
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10-13-2011 , 07:41 AM
Jep really good work.
Think we got all the pieces together now and this is the most likely scenario.
Lifeban for this guy at PP. Wonder if this guy will try again using different provider, new real information about a friend or so, ....all the things you need to do to start playing again at PP.
Or if he moves to another site where he gets $50 too, maybe he already does this.
Because once a cheater, always a cheater.
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10-13-2011 , 07:45 AM
I wish I had access to an SS account to do this kind of research. I have so much free time at this point I would almost welcome it.
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10-13-2011 , 07:51 AM
Yes me too, i had to use pokerprolabs, which sucks because they don't show most of the games. Like the first HU a7jasmill7 played was not tracked by pokerprolabs.

Also can all the evidence be updated in the OP, so that new people can see all the evidence together and don't have to search for it.

Post;
#44
#45
#68
#79
#104
#105

Last edited by IAMIRONMAN; 10-13-2011 at 08:13 AM.
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10-13-2011 , 08:55 AM
Ok, PP has removed all his accounts, pokerscout can confirm this.



Actually why don't we just make free 50$ accounts as a fulltime job ? And play HU against our main account and have the highest ROI possible and a 100% 1st place finish and have a diamond SS star.
PP won't notice...

Last edited by IAMIRONMAN; 10-13-2011 at 09:01 AM.
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10-13-2011 , 10:50 AM
Just to add my 2 cents :-

It looks like he plays 1 table at a time only.

Why would a player who plays $50 STTs and has an insane ROI only play
1 table at a time ?

Answer : Because he couldnt get his other accounts up to more than
2 buy ins in order to multitable and make more $

Cant believe party never clocked this .
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10-13-2011 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by BrickPlz
Just to add my 2 cents :-

It looks like he plays 1 table at a time only.

Why would a player who plays $50 STTs and has an insane ROI only play
1 table at a time ?

Answer : Because he couldnt get his other accounts up to more than
2 buy ins in order to multitable and make more $

Cant believe party never clocked this .
Strange, because I sure can.

The people at party poker these days aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the box.
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10-13-2011 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by LunaEqualsLuna
Strange, because I sure can.

The people at party poker these days aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the box.
Lets see how this guy cashes out 15k - i guess they will get sharp very quick. Otherwise PP is like free money....
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10-13-2011 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by IAMIRONMAN
Yes me too, i had to use pokerprolabs, which sucks because they don't show most of the games. Like the first HU a7jasmill7 played was not tracked by pokerprolabs.

Also can all the evidence be updated in the OP, so that new people can see all the evidence together and don't have to search for it.

Post;
#44
#45
#68
#79
#104
#105
Yep, good idea, but a mod has to do it, as I can't edit my OP...
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10-13-2011 , 11:35 AM
suprobalt61 is his newest account, as of today:

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10-13-2011 , 11:51 AM
anyone got any reply from party regarding this?
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10-13-2011 , 12:20 PM
Unacceptable that he is still playing.
Really disappointed in PP. Even if they still ban him. He is being reported 2days ago and nothing happened so far.
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10-13-2011 , 12:55 PM
He is playing right now if you want to watch, with suprobalt61 and oake0sdro

Hate that i can't talk in there chat, otherwise I would warn the other players about it.

EDIT:
LOL 3 vs 1.


PBJM_ pulled out a good fight, and won HU against FARA****ER.

Last edited by IAMIRONMAN; 10-13-2011 at 01:15 PM.
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10-13-2011 , 01:04 PM
Its a fk disgrace what poker has become...
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10-13-2011 , 01:13 PM
this is a joke,

i dont know he can get away with all these accounts with out providing id,

as for party poker-- just unreal how they havent froze his account yet

online poker is dead,

can it really be possible that poker stars is the only legit company out there that cares, or are we waiting to hear something eventually crooked from them?
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10-13-2011 , 01:17 PM
every day now something new, someone cheating/colluding in some way online poker is donezo damnitttt
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10-13-2011 , 01:20 PM
can someone join the games and tell the others about cheating, leading to a 4v2 collusion v collusion style?
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