I've been railing this thread somewhat eagerly, as Partypoker has been my go-to site for random poker playing after FTP got shut down.

What I can't understand is the profit-making part. Obviously there's some abuse of no-deposit bonuses in play in this case, but if that weren't the case. How can colluders make profit in 6max-games? Say 3 guys team up and register for one game, they've paid 3 buyins + rake. Best case scenario, they win 6 buyins. They'd have to be winning way more than half the time to be profitable, right? Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for little to no profit.

Could someone with a better understanding of maths tell me what I'm missing?

Not to step on anyone's feet, but if all the profit comes from the no-deposits, how does it hurt the other players?

maybe you should read the thread that you have been so eagerly railing

Just knowing more than your own holecards at a table gives you an edge. Knowing others holecards+colluding gives you an even bigger edge, hence making it harder for the players that only knows their own cards to win. That can't be too difficult to understand.

Frankiess - it wasn't 3 guys teaming up - it was 1 guy controlling 3 accounts, and every account he operated was originally funded with free "getting started" money from someplace or other, which explains why some accounts had such short shelf lives. The occasional HU games between various complicit accounts pretty much removes any doubt that this is exactly what was going on.

Luckily for you though, Party Poker is so on the case when it comes to game security that it only took about 3 months and intense pressure from this thread and other places for them to put a stop to this wilful violation of their rules.

And this is why I don't play on Party Poker, not just the cheating but the lack of action and response on this

has anyone ever played online poker here? no matter how good you are if accounts are not jacked up with the rng the way it is its impossible to run this good ESPECIALLY playing heads up with more * variance *

Why do sites even have rules in place if they are not enforced by themselves. So sick of feeling like a burden asking sites to look in to stuff. How many of these cheaters would get away with things if diligent players weren't looking in to things supposid * professionals* at there jobs can't find with supposid * advanced* technolgies. Just a lot of smokescreen and propaganda to try and make us feel safe. REGULATIONs! REGULATIONS! Please!! Honestly. Take the promotions money pokersites you give out to people that break rules , take ALL the promotional money and hire an adequate number of cheating detection systems. 99% of the players will welcome this. What do I give a **** if I win 100$ bonus money if a robot is going to steal it from me a week later.

Just imagine though how much cheating went on before some of you diligent players brought attention to this. It's like being a security guard in a BMW dealership. Only there is one guard and 50,0000 cameras to watch. Hire some more ****ing staff. Get off of coastal islands with 25 people for hire and move to populations where you can hire appropriate numbers to police this cheating god dammit!

Def agree these sites need to be a lot more professional when it comes to security

it's so obvious that the collusion ring is ran by the SECURITY department. How else do you explain the incompetence?

would seem like it huh? Only lets be honest at best how many people work in security at a time. 5, 6, 10. That might be an exaggeration. It's been said that stars got so busy an ex staff member said they actually had to turn off the alerts they are so overwhelmed. U got 80k-200 plus players at a time and god knows how many alerts you just cant cope its that simple. And even when they do find something or have evidence thrown up there arse like the chinese colluders it takes them months and months and still couldn't find them without the work of players and another datamining site. Just rubbish

the security department isnt smart enough to know how to collude

CLIFFS?

cannot be bothered reading whole thread, cliffs?

Party doesn't care at all about the integrity of its games, play there at your own risks.

rough cliffs:

- one account had impossible ROI
- was cheating by getting free $50 from pokerstrategy, dump to other accounts by colluding in 6max SNGs, repeat. party has zero security checks to notice or stop this
- confirmed as many accounts only played once or twice with him in the game, or played him HU, etc
- party support is even lazier than people that can't skim-read 280 posts and takes months to shut down his acct
- acct now shut down, party doesn't respond to criticism/process refunds