Nice work all

If this guy was opening new accounts for the free $50 he wont have much in his account he would have kept taking small amounts off to go undetected

+1

Is Palladium support as slow as regular support? I emailed them after becomming Palladium to hear what happened and its been 4 days now with no reply.

They have better things to do like counting raked money than reading stoopid emails.

PP gave me 10$ for free, I don't know if I

a) never play there again
b) play since its for free, but never deposit
c) cheat like all people do on Party and make 10k out of it.

if u do option c,

just make sure to change ur sn every once in a while, that way you can do it forever and make mirrions

Bump!

Oh, and PartyPoker added to the growing list of never to play on sites.

party never replied, sent them another email askin wuttup

bunch of ****s

looks like, that his account got closed, rigth?
last game was the 16th.

I might be missing something but why do people think he used the PokerStrategy free $50 with many accounts in order to do this? If he was getting free money in his dummy accounts then he'd probably just dump the funds via HUSNGs or something and avoid other players entirely. The fact he is playing 6-max games tells me the dummy accounts have some of his real funds in them.

In a HU SNG, your profit is less than what you pay to play ($50 + 5 = 55, get 100 back, only 45 profit), and the $55 is guarenteed to be gone from the dummy account.
In the 6-max sngs first place earns a profit of $125. Not only is there a higher profit for the main account, but there is also the possibility that a dummy account finishes 2nd and earns enough to play another 2 SNGs without having to create another dummy account.

Also, it can start to look obvious (more so than it already does) if one player loses every single HU match to the same player.

Ummm, where does his profit come from then? Every time he wants to play a game he has to create a new account through Pokerstrategy or whatever? It's not like it's a 1 click procedure. They're not an ATM. Obv it's 1000x better if you can "own" half the field in a 6 max game where you can just rake money in from other people, and also you get to keep your multiple accounts alive for longer which avoids having to go through the moderate ballache of creating new accounts (and lowering you hourly in the process). Chip dumping your own $ to yourself is so much less profitable than cheating other people.

Agree with both of you. But imo the chances of getting caught are much smaller in HUSNGs than in 6-max since you are only playing with yourself and 6max opponents are bound to notice after a while. I'm actually really surprised it took over 800 games for someone to post this here. Cmon Party regs, get your **** together.

Who cares about getting caught when you play on a site whose collusion detection department have lunch breaks that last approx 18 months?

No response yet?

This thread is amazing. And what else is amazing is PP's reaction to all of this.

I've heard a lot of people speculating that Party pulled out of the US market after UIEGA and paid the DOJ a settlement in order for the chance to re-enter the US market if regulation ever became reality. If this is the future of US regulated poker, it is a bleek outlook.

Since I'm US based, I haven't been on Party since pre-2006, and thanks to excellent work of OP, Gazillion, and others, will never be. Keep up the good work guys.

Shame on you PP.

nop

I got a refunds about a week ago. Never noticed it untill my vip host mailed it to me today.
Also the 'appropraite action has been carried out' but no details obv.

Only played 1 game with him and gave very clear evidence of cheating and he took both itm spots and I bubbled so this was very easy for them.
No idea if and how they're going to handle the rest of it. It's a though spot I guess because he was abusing the free 50s and stealing from party but his combined roi was probably negative.
Not saying that in a perfect world (or on a perfect stars) they shouldn't look at every tournament he played and compensate every victim, but yeah I guess if I was in charge I would just make sure this never happens again and hope this thread dies.
And people working for party seems to be even more lazy then I am......

If you have a game in your database with farafon in it and there's some obv. cheating going on you should just mail them and I'm sure you get your refund.

Any update?

I don't find this possible. Pokerstrategy will run through a ID process before they give you the $50 a phone call i believe, but even if he bypasses this the accounts made via pokerstrategy have a limit cap (bankroll protection) so you can only play the smallest limits unless you do a deposit.
Altho he can use a moneybookers account at which he can put a lot of email addresses which will all work as different email(they are connected to the same account) but i doubt that pp gets information about the moneybookers account other then the email and if you have 10 emails registered to one moneybookers each of those mails works for deposits. If he is depositing his own money on the site I'm not really sure about his profit, there might be some different thing he bypasses?
EDIT: Just a clarification I started poker with the 50 from pokerstrategy at william hill and here is the restriction email:
Congratulations!

You received $50 FREE bankroll from PokerStrategy.com

Follow their proven Poker education to make the most of it!

To ensure your bankroll lasts you can join the following tables and tournaments:

Hold'em Fixed Limit: Blinds up to $0.10 / $0.20
Hold'em No-Limit: Blinds up to $0.05 / $0.10
Hold'em Sit n Go's / Tournaments: Buy-In up to $1 (plus fees)

Note: No SNG heads up tournaments are allowed.
You will be able to play on the full selection of Poker tables when any of the following conditions are met:

You made a deposit of at least $100.
You have generated at least $50 in Rake
You have more than 30 days of player activity.

hahah wp

those cheaters are also from russia, who woulda thought

I've been railing this thread somewhat eagerly, as Partypoker has been my go-to site for random poker playing after FTP got shut down.

What I can't understand is the profit-making part. Obviously there's some abuse of no-deposit bonuses in play in this case, but if that weren't the case. How can colluders make profit in 6max-games? Say 3 guys team up and register for one game, they've paid 3 buyins + rake. Best case scenario, they win 6 buyins. They'd have to be winning way more than half the time to be profitable, right? Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for little to no profit.

Could someone with a better understanding of maths tell me what I'm missing?

Not to step on anyone's feet, but if all the profit comes from the no-deposits, how does it hurt the other players?

maybe you should read the thread that you have been so eagerly railing

Just knowing more than your own holecards at a table gives you an edge. Knowing others holecards+colluding gives you an even bigger edge, hence making it harder for the players that only knows their own cards to win. That can't be too difficult to understand.

Frankiess - it wasn't 3 guys teaming up - it was 1 guy controlling 3 accounts, and every account he operated was originally funded with free "getting started" money from someplace or other, which explains why some accounts had such short shelf lives. The occasional HU games between various complicit accounts pretty much removes any doubt that this is exactly what was going on.

Luckily for you though, Party Poker is so on the case when it comes to game security that it only took about 3 months and intense pressure from this thread and other places for them to put a stop to this wilful violation of their rules.

And this is why I don't play on Party Poker, not just the cheating but the lack of action and response on this