Ok since Party is generally really slow in doing anything productive to the ecology I feel like a thread like this is needed to draw the public attention towards a disastrous problem.

Some players are in possession of a seating script that sits them immediately next to a fish that sits down. We are speaking of nanoseconds in which this happens. As soon as a fish sits down, the script places that player in position to him, even before the fish actually bought in.

A player that abuses this in a devastating way is http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/29647/

He used to coach here and apparently instantly deleted his thread once someone addressed the scripting issue.

He is still offering coaching at http://www.coachingtokens.com/poker_coaches/borntarun/
keep in mind that his results there are probably influcened by a seating advantage as well and thus create an image of a better player than he actually is.


His former nick on party
http://www.pokertableratings.com/par...rch/Angr1B1rd_

and this is his current one which he stole from a former regular (you can change SNs on party and use "old" ones that were used earlier by players)
http://www.pokertableratings.com/par...arch/Edge93578

A discussion in the party msnl thread can be found from here on http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...3/index23.html

As you can see, recreational players are aware of what is happening here. The effects on the games are just disatrous. Once this becomes used by everyone the games on Party will be unplayable, which is why it has to be stopped as long as there is just a minortity using it.

You can scroll through the party thread to see revlis87's explanations which are more or less completely redundant as not to be taken seriously. He has not defended himself regarding this issue from this point on and abuses the system every day at the tables at PartyPoker.

I hope that with this thread and the help of twoplustwo there will be a solution to these scummy tactics and I hope Party eventually realizes why this is such an important issue.

This thread should have been made a long time ago since party rep's don't listen to any of the discussion in MSNL thread etc.

Unreal this problem has sustained this long.

GL

If I am not mistaken this thing exists on Stars as well and is allowed. Correct?!

Ban this script.

Ban huds.

Ban all extra software imo.

(never going to happen though )

*in before someone points out that I use a hud...cause I do...super -EV not to use a legal software advantage

Guaranteed without a doubt this goes on beyond Party Poker.

Thank you PlanB for posting up this thread. I've emailed numerous times regarding this issue. It has been shrugged off most of the time, but the most recent email was replied saying that these scripts don't violate the T&C at Party. My VIP host even said that he doesn't think this is right, but he will escalate the problems to management, and that he hopes they will listen to me. I am not sure if management even cares about said issues.

Playing during peak hours at Party is hopeless without a script. Seats with fish are literally filled in nanoseconds if not just a few seconds. Waitlists are clogged immediately. If you're just taking a piss and a table opens, you are SOL. You will be deep in the list, and you will never see a seat. I don't even bother playing most of the time during peak times anymore.

Not only do these scripts create a disincentive for regulars who don't have a script to play, it is overly predatory, and make recreational players uncomfortable. Many recreational players have openly stated in chat that they are bothered with the issue.

Autoseating scripts are allowed on Stars as well, but since when does what they do matter to Party? Ongame (also owned by Bwin) has banned autoseating scripts, why the f*ck can't Party do the same?

When every user starts using an autoseating script, will be literally the end of Party Poker. It will no longer be player vs player, but software vs software. Which software will come out fastest in a world competing in nanoseconds. If that day comes, you've lost another client right here, and I'm sure many more. How many more can you lose?

this is the most scary effect in the longrun. if pp doesnt change the t&c this will become brutally real. furthermore im pretty sure even the random bigshark111 donk does notice his disadvantage. if not instantly then at least in the medium term (if he run good obv). and of course its definetely unethical too.

Take this to the euro forum please

+1111111111111111

Never have or ever will use a HUD, and i'm one of 'younger' pro's out there ffs. Adding player aids just takes skill outta the game and drains the poker economy quicker. Shame really. Mixed games ftw.

^Not using one doesn't make you more admirable or any better, just less profitable than you could be fool

Ye why is this being directed at Party Poker solely?

The problem is across all sites

Absolutely disgusting that this has been going on for so long, and is still ignored by competent sites like Pokerstars simply because it's technically not against their T&C. It goes completely against the spirit of the game, is grossly predatory, dissuades recreational players who think they're being hunted, not to mention being extremely unfair to other regs, taking skill out of the equation and it simply being about who has the best script.

Borntarun/revils87/angr1b1rd/Edge93578 is by far the most guilty of this and from what I've gathered has made 100's of thousands using this piece of software. This is hardly unexpected from a man of his character, he shows no remorse for his actions, continues using the software to this day and simply doesn't care about the ramifications that result from it's use on the poker community. I'm not sure of his surname, his first name is Harry and he coaches on a certain training site that uses earnt tokens as currency. I'm assuming it's his increased hourly resulting from his use of this software that has him charging the extortionate rates he does, it certainly isn't his poker ability, take that from a guy who's played thousands upon thousands of hands with him. It portrays very poorly upon any coaching site that employs such an unsavory character.

revlis is in a tough spot here. If he stops using the script he wont be a winning player anymore (he only just beats the game even with the script) and if he keeps using it the fish arent gona come back and he wont make any money then either.

every player in every network which will still ignore those methods is in a tough spot, especially the fish. in the worst case there will be a ton of copycats and this could be really harmful to poker in general imo.

I never said not using HUD's made me seem that way, at all.

People don't choose to be vegetarian because it's a favourable characteristic to others. They're making a stand for what they believe in, regardless of what other people think.

I'm not going to stiff the poker economy just to die a little richer, and i find it sad to think that your concerns itt are money and being liked.