No, we can not see total insurance funds in PM account of the forum ( usdt account, btce account ... alternative way of Insurance payment ), but we can see Insurance shown under someone's nick if he/ she has Insurance.
This way can greatly reduce scammers, not totally get rid of scammers. So try to trade within his insurance and confirmation should be made via topic or inbox to show proof if a scam happens.
All parties can get benefit, for example: raising insurance account of the forum yields some interest, newbies are worry free to trade with someone having insurance

meandi289

Who owns Perfect Money? The only thing I can see is that they, whoever they are, are based in a plaza unit in Hong Kong.

The language used on their website reads a little like yours. Are you the author or involved with the business other than as a customer?

Are you sure you mean "insurance"? Insurance implies that the trader pays a small sum to the insurer, say $10, to insure a transfer of, say, $100, and if the transfer fails, the insurer's fund made up of lots of similar $10 insurance premiums pays the $100. Yes, the recipient trader is safe, but the scammer continues to scam, and all those paying insurance pay for his scam and the communal fund decreases.

Perhaps you mean that, in effect, Perfect Money could be used as an escrow account, where both parties deposit their, say, $100? That seems possible, but I don't think that it is set up for that purpose. It appears to me that they want the, say, $100 deposit to remain with them as ... insurance ... for an external trade of up to that amount between depositors. In our case, I don't think this would work very well, because the majority of traders don't have the additional, say, $100 to leave sitting in the escrow account. (Whether we would trust such an apparently anonymous escrow business with our deposits is another matter.)

I'm just a customer only, and I dont know who owns perfect money. I think it's just like Skrill, Neteller, web money ... they are e-currency, you can google for more details
If you dont trust Perfect Money, you can choose usdt, btce code or even bitcoin instead, any way of payment you prefer.
I think you dont know what I mean. So let me explain briefly again before I got to go in a couple of mintues. And if you still dont understand, I will explain more detail later.
For example, if I have an insurance of $ 1000 deposited to a respected person's account here; and people who trade with me any amount less than $ 1000 got scammed by me. They can claim and get back their money, I will be banned and lose my $ 1000 insurance.
This is the way a forum operates, ask me more if you're not clear

So if there are 100 people trading to this extent, the respected person holds $100,000 as "insurance", possibly for months on end?

Surely, if there was such a respected person here it would be far simpler just to ask them to escrow, (with delays built in to avoid fraud by stolen credit card, etc)?

So if there are 100 people trading to this extent, the respected person holds $100,000 as "insurance", possibly for months on end?
Yes, if there are 100 people buying $ 1000 insurance, the respected person holds $ 100,000. Moreover, if the respected person ask to deposit by usd in bitcoin and bitcoin is likely to go up, then the respected person can earn lots of profit without doing much

Surely, if there was such a respected person here it would be far simpler just to ask them to escrow, (with delays built in to avoid fraud by stolen credit card, etc)
No, because the respected person wastes his time to escrow, he just holds the money and does nothing except that if a scam , for expamle, of $ 500 is claimed then he gives back to money to the vicim. In short, the respected person who holds the fund never give more than what he has received

This is the way a forum I join operates and earn profit from "insurance" funds because if there are thousands of people buying insurance, the fund is huge and can yeild 4% interest per year if they receive payments from Perfect Money.
Perfect money is widely accepted worldwide except USA and some part of the world.
https://www.changer.com/
Usdt is used by https://poloniex.com/exchange and https://bittrex.com/ to trade bitcoin and altcoin
Btc-e code is used by https://btc-e.com/ to trade bitcoin and altcoin also

Bobo,

What I am saying is have a person who is extremely respectable and has accounts on all sites act as a processor, for a small fee of course, set up maybe some kind of restrictions to limit the scammers. I think even poker sites would be happy as they are getting another deposit method, without worrying about scams.
What meandie289 is saying in other words people should post for trades, Like posting with a bookie.

meandi289

As I wrote earlier, in our case, I don't think the system would work very well, because the majority of our traders don't appear to have the additional, say, $100 to leave sitting in the escrow account, and it will not be introduced as a requirement.

Otoh, if individuals want to deal with others via Perfect Money or the like, then of course they can, in any case.

Thank you for the information.

Yes, and he can make a lot more profit by leaving with the money, never to be seen again. That's the big risk with this idea - you're concentrating a lot of money in one person's hands.

Yes, there is a clear benefit in that as a trader, I can just deposit some money with one person and then trade to my heart's content. The downside is that I have to tie up a significant amount of money, which might not be feasible for everyone. And of course the issue I mentioned above.

Well, it shouldn't be baffling that no one has thought of it before, because it's been suggested, in different forms, many times. No one's acted on the idea, which should tell you a lot. The risk/reward ratio is out of whack unless someone charges a sizable fee IMO.

And if you mean that no one has proposed meandi's idea before, that may be true - it does seem like a new twist on using a third party.

And to be clear, I'm not trying to tell you guys that no other solution is possible. meandi's idea isn't without merit, and I think coming up with new ways of doing this isn't a bad thing. But there are also significant challenges here. In the end, it comes down to having a third party that is willing to take it on, and people who would then be willing to try it out.

But it should also be noted that even if we had the ingredients above, I don't know that it's something we would allow on our forums. While I'm sure we have a few posters that handle a lot of transactions and make money off this, we discourage people from outright advertising money trading businesses. A scenario where we have one trusted party that is processing transactions would likely fall into that category. I'm not saying that it would be impossible for someone to offer such a service on our forums (but it may be); just letting you know that it's another hurdle to overcome, if you can even get interest.

Another thing to consider - most experienced traders on our forums are able to make dozens of trades and never have a problem (or a low % of problems), so they're least likely to be interested in such a service. That makes it difficult for such a service to get traction. And, more importantly, it means that those who would be using the service most would be the ones with the highest risk profile, meaning one would need to charge a higher % to offer said service.

What I think better than his suggestion is for 2p2 set up its own currency..so any trade is using 2p2 coin/credit that can be trade with real money 😄

Oh yes, but only some people, who want to enhance their guarantee, will buy an insurance. For example, I'm a newbie and so I have to take a risk to even send first to those who not well known, respected. But if I buy an insurance of $500, then other persons can easily send to me first within my insurance.
My insurance is held for years or forever until I want to withdraw my insurance in a case that I do not scam anyone. It is not a requirement, it's just an option we choose.

To Bobo Fett :
Yes, and he can make a lot more profit by leaving with the money, never to be seen again. That's the big risk with this idea - you're concentrating a lot of money in one person's hands.
---> Yes, that's the problem, but I'd take a risk to trust the very respected person than to trust every other person I'm going to trade with.
In a forum I take part in, the information of the holder is known by many other members and possibly published to avoid his leaving with the money

Yes, there is a clear benefit in that as a trader, I can just deposit some money with one person and then trade to my heart's content. The downside is that I have to tie up a significant amount of money, which might not be feasible for everyone. And of course the issue I mentioned above.
---> oh yes, that's why only some specific people want to buy insurance. I often sell bitcoin on the forum in my country, so I can only receive money first if I'm a repute or I have insurance. That why I and people who often do many trades buy Insurance

been away a while, pretty cool to still see this thread going

Can someone link me to the scammers list? I am on the list. Is anyone keeping track of who alleges that they were scammed or would I have to go surfing through a million posts? I would like to contact the people who alleged I scammed. Feel free, to send me a PM or I will check back here.

Apparently, Jason Covener alleges I scammed him. If anyone, has his contact info, please contact me. He is banned and was alleged to be a scammer himself.

Longtrail099 = oneouterson = Robbiekid5 on AIM = thechinacat on FTP = oneouterson on FTP and Stars

I can not find who alleges I scammed him or her. I would like to find their contact information. If anyone can help me, let me know.

AlBeing on that list was a very foolish thing of me to do. I'M VERY SORRY!

Anyone who is thinking about scamming I highly recommend against it. You will regret it.

on what names/screennames are you accused of scamming? when was it, more details, etc?

Quick searches of the "words" Longtrail099 and oneouterson appearing in posts show two alleged scams, but both accusers have since been banned for something or other.

Please list all your SNs and your usernames.

Thank you.

Where do i post for a trade if I have pokerstars tournament dollars and I want cash?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...t-here-291728/

DO NOT trade with shippyflippy

ACR: GOOOLD
BCP: GNARTURN
Venmo: @QuinnTyler
Phone # (585)747-7011

Why not? Because of:

?

From different posts:

GNARTURN on blackchip
bcp (shipizzle)
ACR Methodmen
ACR USOGOOD
shippyflip (merge)
quinnja1 (merge)

Wanted to post about a problem I had this weekend using Amazon for a trade. Note that I have conducted 20+ successful trades here over the years using Amazon or VISA gc, and with a variety of people, until this one went awry.

Last week I posted looking for $100 at Intertops (taxinuts) for $100 Amazon or VISA gc:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...stcount=160229.

Saturday afternoon I received a PM from JC82 (I don't have his Intertops SN) saying he could send me $100 Intertops for $100 amazon. I agreed, immediately bought a code directly from Amazon site and sent it to him along with account info for trade. He messaged me a few minutes later saying that the code had already been redeemed. This is the first time ever that I have ever encountered such a problem with Amazon, either trading here at 2+2 or using it elsewhere for transactions.

I have an inquiry into Amazon and they are reviewing situation, but I don't expect to get anything back from them. Will update here once they get back to me with something definitive.

Please note that I am not posting this message to suggest JC82 did anything wrong. As far as I know, either 1) Amazon screwed up, or 2) an unauthorized 3rd party somehow snagged and redeemed the code within 10 minutes of it being issued.

In retrospect, JC82 is a newbie so perhaps I should have asked for his SN at Intertops or even a screenshot of his account balance there as an extra measure of risk reduction. But given the many - 100% in fact - successful trades I've enjoyed in the past here at 2+2 as well as the relatively smallish sum at stake, I was not concerned enough to do so.

Will update once/if I hear anything back from Amazon. Anyone else have a legitimate problem like this with them?

it doesn't seem to me that you've proven that the issue lies with amazon

most of the time when a swap with a newbie/no rep person goes awry, there are shenanigans involved. i'd try to disprove (or prove) the other person's involvement before assuming it's an amazon/bank/etc issue

good luck

You should always ask for SNs with proof of ownership - probably best way to confirm is to sit at a table with the prospective trading partner showing the amount involved, and chat a little about the trade; especially in a case of an ACR trade where the SN is different to the account name. This avoids scammers impersonating respectable players. If they say that their chat has been disabled, they are almost definitely a scammer.

Agreed with the above posts. Surely a company such as amazon would never mess this up and if not would know and make it right almost always imo. Pretty easy for a scammer to say the code didn't work and then its just his word vs yours. Not lookng good since hes got no documented trades and his account is not even a month old.

2p2: KantBStop'd
ACR: rickyboo

Did a $400 trade with him, my ACR for his bitcoin on Monday evening. I sent first, he PMed me confirming he received and would be sending bitcoin to me asap. I wake up the next morning only to see I have not received any bitcoin and KantBStop'd is banned from 2p2. I PMed a Mod about it and found out KantBStop'd supposedly scammed two other people. Please help me and the others who were scammed by him by reporting him to ACR security.

If you have skype, add me ricky2boo