Well,there are obviously dozens of ppl who think its fully legit.
This thread might serve the purpose of warning them.

Am i the only one who find this shocking on many many levels??!!

I thought it was very odd myslef. That's why I mentioned/posted it

@bobo fett- fair enough explanation on why twoplustwo allowed them to advertise here

From my experience everything that's related to eastern europeans or asians is very scummy.
So that a combination of both turns out to be a scam isn't that much of a shock.

Well atleast your logic is flawless.

It might not be politically correct but he's not wrong. The vast majority of botting/collusion rings come from those countries, added to the naming issue I wouldn't go near this site.

Where can one read about this Doha poker scam in English?

Aren't they offering skrill and netteller to american players for cashouts, or weren't they?

It's strange that you almost never see the same screen names at any of the games

Hi.
Mine friend made withdraw to skrill and it take less than 10hours.

My friend made withdraw couse the site was super suspicious.
I ve played a little now and i deffinetily think that there is something wrong on this site.

Dude you are so obviously one of the site owners or one benefiting from this scam. Too damn obvious make a new acc, come back pls and try again. Funny as **** that you also think it is fishy but like 50/50 y kno like you said and then market their super value promotions and how easy it is to make it in the "rack" race.

Jesus christ they dont teach proper english in ukraine? Only how to scam. NO poker player would misspell rake race like that are you kidding me

Lol you caught me. Clearly I'm one of the Ukraniane owners.

I installed the software without registering , just to watch the action on the cash tables

Here we have some of my observations in different stakes


NL5000 HU

I opened one 25/50 HU table to watch the action . (NL5000!!!!)

There were two usernames, both from China, playing HU in a very slow and passive way, like they are bored.
Lets call them Username1 and Username2.

Username1 was playing at the same time in 25/50 and 10/20 6max tables and 10/20 HU also.

They way the game was played was like HU NL5.

No 3bets postflop , just one player bets and the other calls or folds.

In one hand Username2 betted 3 times , flop , turn , river, with A high flush draw and Username 1 called all three streets. When he called the river and lost to a flush, he mucked his stack and left with 3.5 big blinds stack!

He didnt reloaded, and they continued playing in a very strange and very unreal way.

Here is the action of the next hands

Hand 1:
Username1 in Button with 175$ posts 25$ small blind, Username2 posts 50$ small blind with 8000$ stack

Username1 calls, username2 checks, they see a flop.
Username 1 cbets 1Big blind (!!!!!!) and left with 100$, Username2 FOLDS(!!!!)

Hand 2:
Username2 in Big blind, Username1 calls!!! (didn't shove his short stack)
They see a flop, Username 1 checks, Username2 bets 1 big blind, Username 2 folds!!!!

Hand 3, 4 and 5 continued in the same way, Button limps, they see a flop, one player bets 1BB the other player folds! And the short stack never shoved (preflop or on the flop ) his 3 BIG blinds stack!!!

That's should be enough to understand what is happening there, but the best part follows:

Suddenly Username2 froze preflop, and he was timed out and CHECKED his hand!
So everybody was expecting Username 1 with the 3BB stack to BET and steal the pot!

What do you think Username1 did on this hand with his 3BB stack?

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Think Think think, no you cant find it...

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Answer: HE FROZE ALSO and he was timed out in the same hand!

I checked the time. It was exaclty 5:00PM london time, 12:00 US time.

So we have here that Username2 is the player who froze and timed out and username1 who was playing 5000NL HU with 3BB stack and no reloading, froze and timed out also. But what happened next?

We expect the frozen player, username2 to leave the table!

No! The player who left ALL the tables (6 high stakes tables) he was playing was username1, the player who frozed second!

After 5 minutes another player from China also, appeared and took Username1 seats who was left empty.

I checked the actions on more stakes, and the playing style between Chinese players is the same everywhere: TIGHT, PASSIVE and SLOW.


NL10 microstakes


I opened a table with an Australian sitting there and all the rest were Chinese players . The Chinese didn't play hands against each other, or they just were stealing some blinds against each other or do a flop and cbet /fold etc. Everytime the Australian fish was opening, only one of the Chinese was CALLING (he didn't 3bet to ISOLATE because he knew that nobody else will call) to see a flop IP against the australian And everytime the player was calling he had a huge hand. WTF !!! It is NL10. How it is possile to 1st) players don't 3bet to isolate the "fish" , 2nd) after 1 caller nobody else calls and all the flops are seen HEADS UP in a FR NL10 table full of Chinese players!!! 3rd) NL10 chinese players who don't play big pots againt each other, 4) each player who called to play HU against the "fish" had always a big hand.


NL400 FULL RING

The level of play was not different from NL10! Super passive, super slow, full of passive chinese players who couldn't even stand on Pokerstars NL5 but they win a lot against he few random non chinese players.


Results:


All the tables in all stakes are full of colluding, terrible chinese players. You still can win money against them because they are terrible. But I'm not sure if you have a chance to beat such an extreme collusion and I'm not sure if it is only collusion or it is something even worst (if they can see your cards also!) It needs more time and a deposit to find out, but I'm not going to deposit there.

In addition to my conclusions I have to add those:

I'm not sure that all those "chinese" usernames belongs to different persons, not even sure if they are really chinese.

As you can clearly see in the above post describing my 25/50 HU observation, it looks like that it was the SAME PERSON playing HU against himself....

It also looks like that there are a few people playing there , each one has many multiple accounts with different chinese user names , seating at many tables and seating many times at each table he plays (that's why the action is so slow, the game is so passive, we have less multiway pots and many "different" players "are" playing exaclty in the exact same bad way)


During last five years I have played more than 4 millions hands in more than 20 different online poker rooms . I have never seen something similar to this

Could be that they're using bots as prop players.

Here is a hand I observed in NL400 full ring (normal 100BB buy in , no antes):

7 players on the table. Different stack sizes, but nobody ever reloads.

Player in Small blind is playing many tables in NL400 with a "chinese" avatar. On this table he has 160 Big blind stack.
Player in Big Blind plays also many tables and he has 250 Big blind stack

Everybody folds preflop and the action goes to small blind .....
...who opens ALL IN with a stack of 160 Big blinds against a stack of 250 Big blinds to steal the 1 Big blind!

So we can be sure that one of the following holds:

1) They are using stupid colluding bots as prop players.

or

2) They are using humans with multiple usernames and very low knowledge about poker as prop players

or 3)

They are using both.

In high stakes like 25/50 they use human and in lower stakes they use bots

but if the case is either 1) or 2) or 3) that makes no difference.

If those stupid bots or the ******s playing there are able to see your cards then you have no chance to not loose your money against them, except if they let some players to win just for advertising puproses or trying to hide the scam.

I contacted their customer support in the chat. This is a copy -paste of my question and the answer they gave me.

Customer Service

After my posts here, the action in their high stakes has changed from super passive to super active ...in a very funny way. Here is an example hand from NL1000

Btn opens 3x, SB calls, BB squeezes, BTN folds flop is K78 rainbow.

SB bets 2BB, BB raises to 4BB SB raises to 8 BB, BB calls.

Turn: no straight .
SB bets 1BB, BB calls!

River:

SB bets the pot, BB raises SB folds


Ok so now I believe what their support told me, that those props on high stakes are humans and not software bots. After my 2+2 posts they have changed their postflop behaviour from funny passive to funny aggressive wich cannot be done by bots

My new question is :

My confidence in the site has been wavering given some of the info (mostly speculations) that have come to light ITT. Even so, if those Chinese players are indeed house accounts I doubt your post influenced them in changing their style of gameplay. It is more likely IMO that the second time you watched the games you were watching different people play. Or were these the same screen names that started playing differently?

I also thought to this possibility , they use a lot of people that they pay peanuts with super account , to steal money of all the new players who are coming there. Until now , i know 4 very good long term winner player who loose on ourgame , and they all got the impression something is wrong .
I really do regret to have deposit so quickly my money on it.
I lost a significative part of my bankroll...
I was a good leason for the next time :-(

Each house username logs off frequently from all the tables he is playing and after a few minutes he comes back with a new username to the same stakes. It looks like they are about 4 different persons using something like 100 different username accounts, and they have flagged them mostly as Chinese accounts trying to attract chinese customers and wordwide "sharks" who trying to make money hunting asian "fish".

Those usernames that I observed playing in such a "creative" "aggressive" way , were different user names from those I observed playing super passive. But I really do believe that those different usernames belong to the same people, a small group working for this room.

There are many problems to this story they are trying to represent , making the scenario unreal

-Many people use to play with the same username in different poker rooms. In this poker room almost all the usernames of high stakes regs you can see there are completely unknown except very few people who is very easy to recognise that they don't belong in the prop group , even from their playing style.

-The poker room was became publicly known just a few weeks ago. Every small new online poker room needs always a long time to attract players. This new poker room, has also a well known very big problem of trust, after using "ourgame" name.

It is very unreal after this case published in many web sites and forums as a "possible scam" , to have so many "different" players playing high stakes there. Sorry , after 5 years of online experience I can't believe that those players are real and that they are chinese.

-Yes there are many chinese people who love to gamble huge money on Asian casinos and to play like crazy. But their player profile doesn't match with those "fishy" profiles the house players they are trying to represent. Those "fish " profiles could never be real . Why? Because fish never play like this

For example:
-A player who is playing 5 tables at the same time, having VPP 22 % and open shoves 160BB stack from the SB against a regular with 250BB stack in BB who is also playing many tables, cannot be even a fish or a bad regular.

VPP 22% and playing 5 tables doesn't match with the public profile they are trying to represent. It is very unreal.

- Somebody playing 6 tables against somebody playing 5 tables and never shoves HU his 3BB stack not even preflop or postflop, cannot be a fish or a bad regular . He could only be a bot or somebody who is paid 1$ per hour to play a game using some hand charts they gave him.

I observed many other crazy examples like those , and I'm not the only one. Those players are impossible to exist for real in modern online poker, and if they exist it is impossible to find them all together playing at the same poker room at the same table at the same time. If those types of tables and players really do exist in this earth, why they don't appear in other online poker networks also out there? There are too many poker networks : Asian poker rooms, Indian poker rooms, Bitcoin poker rooms, offshore poker rooms in Curacao, rooms with Webcams like Camazino etc, US friendly small poker networks some of them really small etc. I have accounts almost everywhere , I observe every online poker network all the time and I can be sure from my experience that this action they are trying to present on "Ourgame" is not real.

"Too good to be true" was written in an internet article on Pokerfuse a few days ago.

It looks to me that

-they have some people there giving a public show, just trying to represent crazy fishy tables "full of loose asian fish", and so they can attract "sharls" from all over the world who could believe that story and deposit, having also those extra promotions like rakeback, super low rake on high stakes, extra money to 1st deposit etc.

-each of the props playing there is using multiple "chinese" accounts .

-those props are really so bad poker players, so they aren't able to find a way to make this public show looking a little bit more realistic...

-the quality of english their support uses is so bad , makes hard to believe that they can be serious. The stories they say , that they office in London and license in Cambodia and adress in Cyprus etc are all crazy. Their suggestions to US players to deposit using Skrill shows that those people have no idea wtf is happening on this game. The name "ourgame" they use is also a crazy option.

If it is not a scam, then only one case could hold:

To have owners with a crazy 3rd world way of doing bussiness , with very little experience on the real onlne poker word , who decided to invest their money in online poker, paying some programers to write a software that's looking good, and then using their own marketing "innovative ideas" like using the "ourgame" name, using house players who don't even know poker basics to represent action on the tables etc.

I have seen on TV a restaurant owner who was buying dolls like those used in clothes stores and he was putting them on the tables with dishes, trying to "scam" people passing outside and make them think that the restaurant is not empty, so they decided to enter. Of course all potential customers afrer realizing that they were dolls ....they run away , thinking that the restaurant is dangerous because the owner is crazy.


But like the restaurant potential customers, I also can't trust anobody doing bussiness in a way like this, I run away and I will never deposit there. Sorry.

My ...daily observation for today:

Opened 25/50 HU again. There were two new usernames, "playing HU" by folding preflop the BUTTON 6 times in a row! Each one was passing the small blind to the orher. After 6 hands played like this in a row!!!! , the button finally raised preflop and the BB folded, the same exactly happened in the next hand. And then they suddenly left the table, both of them, maybe they were stressed out from being observed from my IP address. After 10 minutes passed two new unknown until yet usernames appeared on the same table (maybe they were just landed from Mars to the earth) at the same table to continue the show , now playing in a different crazy way: Player 1 raises , player 2 3bets , player 1 4bets , player 2 shoves , player 1 folds! Finally I got some "high stakes" action !!! Yeah!!!!

The problem here is that all those "money" they use on the tables to produce this stupid public show in 24h basis "just to fill the tables", are not looking to be real money. I don't beleive that they have really deposited 100.000$ bankroll for each of all those more than 1 hundrends fake user names they are creating all the time and they are recycling them all the time at high stakes. They ask you to deposit your real money,and to play with real money to win the play chips of their "props"!!!

So there are 3 options for them: 1) to pay to you the value of those play chips you have won in real dollars... That's costs a lot and can't work in long term, those ******s playing there trying to "fill the tables" and "create action" would loose many millions of dollars every month 2) to don't allow you ever win there, by colluding ....or even being able to see your cards . That's really the most possible scenario there and the only way those ******s could stand against any real opponent who will possibly decide to try it and play on those tables . That explains why all those people who tried playing there are loosing . Ok it is possible that someone could loose against those fish from variance, but it can't be variance if it has happened to so many different players! It is collusion! 3) To let some players win and pay some winners so they can attract more players and be able to get many deposits . After they get many deposits then they can suddenly dissapear from earth with all player bankrolls

My English is bad but I want to share my experience with Ourgame.

I found it at rakerace.com. Today I wrote them:
Hero: Do you know that Ourgame is a scam?
Admin: we are not 100% sure yet, we are still investigating this and if it will be prooved, we will remove the poker room, please note we already canceled the planned promotions with them we apologize for any inconvenience caused!

I play microstakes (NL2-NL10) over three years (more than 1M hands) with nice profit (>10bb/100). I lost at Ourgame 130$ in two days (3 tabling NL4 and NL10). I was suspicious because I never saw something like that. So I was looking for some info (maybe I should looking before deposit) and I found this thread. I agree that Ourgame is a scam.

Btw. why does not have Ourgame NL25 or NL20?

Yes 30 buy ins downswing happens more thzan we would think possible in today environement (still is a verry though downswing for a winning 3-5bb/100 reg. But here we playing with 4 fish at the table and the asian regs have skill set worse than 2006 regs on .com. In this context 30 buy in dowswing looks HUGGGE.

The problem is that if players crushed on this site they would have no interest coming on this thread to tell us about it. But having met few competent players who like me can t win on one of the softest site ever is enough to made me cashed out.

The cash out was succesfull btw (small amount thought) and to be complete , the cash out was paid by skrill (cause i request it) in a country that prohibited me to deposit on this site with skrill.

frenchfishes: I have still some money at Ourgame. Do you think that is safe sent to them scan of ID or passport?