Impossible to prove rigged rng without a huge database. Even then it would be next to impossible / inconclusive.

I am not a rigtarder but if there ever was a site to do it- this is probably it.

Hello , my nick name on Ourgame is SuicideRonin.
I remember you , once you arrived at my table on Ourgame ,you said "Hi" to everybody on the chat ,I remember that because I never saw any asiatic players using the chat , not rarely ,really never.... as bots , you don't find that strange ? Normally recreative player are generally very talkative...

Another thing that I wonder about you , according what you are telling, you are playing on big table but I double checked I can not find your nick name "Digitaldegen" in the rake race... I played only 6 days only in nl 100 and nl50 in heads up (0,5/1bb and 0,25/0,5bb) very massively I agree ( between 5 and 7 tables simultanly) and I finished 3th of the rack race at this moment

https://www.ourgame.poker/en/component/rake_race

How can it be that you don't even appears in the 1000 first player according to the fact that you are playing much bigger stack than me ?

I checked the lobby and watched some tables. I actually saw you play SuicideRonin, from Belgium right? I thought the play was highly suspicious and seemed very robotic. No chatting, alot of nonshowdown pots etc and decided not to play. What are your thoughts SuicideRonin?

Yes it's me,I'm from Belgium.

Like I told before on the forum , right now I'm down of more than 30 Buy In,

and all happend from big strange configuration , so my thought aren't very positive... but like I said I already had a down of 55 buy in in worst month of my career and 3 another players that i know (who are of course long term winner player) experienced the same down as me and all of them 3 decided to stop playing on this room and are conviced that ourgame is rigged.

About the chatting , for the first time , I talked with a chinese player in Heads up...

Honestly I'm not really sure the room is rigged , right now I'm 50/50

I'm trying to find non asiatic long term winner player on this room , to talk a lil bit with them but i haven't find people yet ( except the player "Digitaldegen" on this forum but as i said in my last post according to the fact that don't even appears in the 1000 first name mentionned of the rake race , I assume that is somebody who plays very few hands on the room , so i don't consider so small sample...)

On one hand , the reasonable part of me told me a compagny who set up a business,making advertasing in Sharkscope,2+2,rakerace etc.. ,will
try to his best to provide fair and honest game to be a succesful long term compagny.

On other hand , the paranoic part of me told me that a compagny who use cash in on a well known name ( with nothing to do with it) who are totally based in China (where no international law rules) is totally able to set up a room , make some big advertasing with so juicy rake back, bonus etc... ( too good to be true) and use 100 chinese people ( paid 2$/hour) to play poker with super account to steal all money from non asiatic who show up on the room... (that only comes from my bad imagination , i got strictly no evidence )

So , I'm 50/50 right now , so if there is a long term player on ourgame who is reading this , show up please :-D

I've only been playing for about 1-2weeks on the site. Started @1/2-2/4 with 300 deposit. ran well and started to play 5/10-10/20. I'm currently like 1345 or something like that on the rake race, haven't played enough hands to get to top 1000 yet. Yes I remember you, I talk in chat to see if anyone responds, so far only 1 person from China has. Called me a fish

You are playing headsup which has a much bigger vpip overall, as well as multitabling, I think that explains why you have raked more then me. Also, arnt the higher games raked LESS then low/mid stakes games? I smoke alotta weed so I could be mistakes about that. I'm not claiming to be a HS reg, I usually play 1/2-2/4 on BOL (2/5 live) but I like to gamble and take shots.

Edit- I started @200 nl, are you sure you never played 200? I'm almost certain I've never played 100nl there

Yes , indeed I played sometimes nl 200 also but I quickly left it for 100 and 50 as I was directly in down. I put 2500$ on it and loose it all in 6 days with so many bad beat and weird thing that I could write a book on it :-(

So I assume you play not very massively anyway please keep us informed if you continue to win regulary on this room. You are the only one till now. good luck!

I will say something for the site. Deposited small amount through bitcoin, played some cash and mtt's then cashed out. When I cashed out they offered me 48 hours bitcoin or instant skrill withdrawal. Bit of a red flag as skrill seems to be blocking unregulated sites from the UK but I did receive it.

One strange thing about the gameplay on this site is that everyone from China leads into you 90% so its not that hard to adjust.

I plan to keep this thread updated about my experiences on the site. There's enough shady things going on that it wouldn't really surprise me if the site is indeed going for a cash grab. For now I feel comfortable having my $$ on there as I've already recieved a decent cashout (3k) but am not naive and am willing to change my mind as more info comes to light. I haven't been immune to coolers, lost close to a 300 bb pot set over set @5/10 but that's poker.

When I emailed them about this thread and they gave me the $300, they told me that they wanted me to have a positive experience and as such to stick to lower stakes games in relation to my bankroll because they have stiff competition at the higher games. That was very odd. Maybe they were referring to bankroll management, a philosophy of which I don't subscribe to. Will post email soon if anyone wanna see it


Unless you post a screen shot of your cashout, no one here will believe you recieved a withdrawal from them. Trust me.

Thank you to share it with us mate

^^ coming right up. I'm a bit of a newb posting from my phone and don't know how to post pics, nor Do I care to learn how so I'm gonna copy and paste

The cashout from the site is from 'Gambling Technology LLP'.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/OC400782

The address of the company is a 'boiler room' therefore just a shell company. With 2 Ukrainian's registered as owners. However, seeing that its a shell company the names could be anyone.

<support@ourgame.poker> wrote:
Hello XXXX,



Sorry for the late reply. Yes, we will transfer your funds to any card you want. Please send us a number of your card.



We are really appreciate that you defend our position at 2+2 forum. It is very important for us. We are ready to give you 300 USD of bonus for that (it is already at your account). We have very strong field at our high limits and it is very hard to show good result there. We really want you to have a positive result at Ourgame Poker. Probably you could to consider the possibility to play at low limits regarding to your bankroll.

I edited out some personal info. Also, the reason they even mentioned me playing high stakes there was because when I initially emailed them alerting them of this thread I said "I feel comfortable playing here and have tried to get people from the forums to watch me play 5/10-10/20 so they could see for themselves the games were fair.

Edit- I only copied and pasted the email and deleted some personal info. The odd sentence structures are word for word what they wrote me

Seeing as they like you that much you could probably negotiate more RB.

My cashout was to my debit card and from a company called "pay card London"

Meh, after I bust my roll playing way above my head I plan on returning to BOL. I'm not a fan of the software at all here

So you are broke too on this room ?

^^ not yet. I have 5k left on there and plan to play 25/50 with one max buyin when I get home from Foxwoods. So yeah, let the countdown to busto (or robusto) begin....

Edit- my last post was in future tense (if that exists? Opposite of past tense ldo) I can see how I worded it makes it look like I already busted. Sorry I no speak good.

But aren't they the ones doing to the imitating/flattering?

I wonder if twoplustwo took any initiative in doing a little background check on the site before taking their money and allowing them to advertise here. I signed up and began playing there on the assumption they were ligit solely on the fact they were advertising here. Pretty silly reasoning on my part, but I'm sure I'm not the only one

This is super interesting in fact. For people that are not aware there was elaborate scam like that before with alleged Arab fish called Doha Poker that turned out to be owned by Ukrainians. They didn't get much traction here but they stole a ton from Russian community luring people with the Arab high stakes fish that were never real
Now They lure people with Chinese fish. Hope someone from Russian community read this thread and could post you guys details.

This is basically the same story all over the place.

yes but I was talking more about companies imitating other companies for hopes of being more successful. Like I said it happens all the time.

You should assume that those you see advertising here have gone through no check of any kind.

For one thing, we run ads in some of our forums that come from ad networks, where we don't have a lot of control over what ads run (although I think there are some general choices we can make - I couldn't tell you exactly how those work as I don't deal with them).

When it comes to advertisers that work directly with us (as opposed to the aforementioned network ads), most of the vetting would be with the companies that have been around for a while, where there would be some that we know have issues and we would refuse to do business with. An example would be Absolute Poker/Ultimate Bet - I don't think we ever did business with them. Now that may have been pure luck in their early days when they weren't so obviously shady, but I can guarantee you that for the last few years of their existence, we wouldn't have touched them with a ten foot pole. But of course, sadly, there have been numerous companies that went rogue that advertised with us. I'm not sure what can really be done about that - most of the criticism we've faced around those situations were a few times when some of our posters felt we should have ended our relationship earlier than we did, but others were fine with our approach. We'll never make absolutely everyone happy unless we pull all advertising as soon as a few payments start coming in late, and that isn't realistic. We try to find the best balance we can.

Brand new companies are tricky. You want them to have a chance to make a go of it (wouldn't we all like some more good rooms?), and of course we're in business to make money. I'm not sure what you can really do with brand new companies. If some think we should have picked up on the ourgame name copy, I suppose they might have a point, but honestly I'm not sure what the law even is in the countries where both are based. As for the poster that said "Also it is honestly disgusting that 2+2 is letting these fraudsters advertise on this forum without any due diligence at all.", I'm not sure what he's expecting. I believe his allegations went from super users to rigged software to bots, so don't know how he thinks due diligence would work if he were in our spot (likely he hasn't thought about that). If anyone's expecting that we're going to stake a couple of people to play on every site for a week or two before we take advertising, I'm sorry to say that's just not going to happen.

Honestly, the way a lot of problems come to light are right here on our forums. There have been times in the past where we took on advertising from a company with a well-known history that had some rough patches, and we insisted they had to have a thread where they would answer questions about past issues. We have pulled advertising from companies that had no issues we were aware of, but had things come to light in their thread. It hasn't happened often, but we have done it, and would do it again if we thought the threshold for doing so was met.

Just to show you where my own standards are on this (and I'm not speaking for 2+2 in this regard - borderline advertisers I'd review with management before accepting), I'll speak about a few companies that have been posted about quite a bit on our forums. If EPN came to us looking to advertise, from my perspective it would be a flat-out "no" until they do some major work on clearing up their cashouts. Merge, I'd have some trepidation about - I'd want to be certain their cashout times are consistently good again, they'd definitely have to make a rep available on our forums to answer questions to be able to advertise, and even then it might be a "no". Chico skins would also require some investigation before allowing, just because of their past issues. Bodog, I'd have zero issue with them advertising here. Just some examples, and again that's from my perspective, and not the "official 2+2" line.

Cliffs: On 2+2, just like everywhere else on the Internet, TV, radio, print media, etc., assume that no background checks have been done on any advertisers. Yes, we watch for what we can, and we won't take just anyone's money regardless of reputation, but there are lots of things we might not know about, could miss, or a company with a spotless record could go rogue. Your fellow forum posters are often your best resource.

Yes it is obviously a ponzi scheme.

Regulars deposit, play against fake fishes. Some win a bit some lose a bit at high stakes(what observers see and hear about) and the lower stakes regs get completely fleeced.
Once the deposits stop coming from seeing too many mid/low stakes guys losing it all, the room runs away.

Ourgame's assertion that they aren't breaking any copyright laws by calling themselves the same thing as a more well established gaming company still doesn't answer the question as to why they are doing it. They seem to be purposely trying to confuse customers as to who they are.

That confusion also flings the door wide open for possible phishing endeavors if they so choose. There are a lot of scenarios where they could pick up log-in info, if they decide to, from original Ourgame customers.

While I don't think anything on the site is rigged as others have mentioned - I certainly have seen some strange things... the insta donk lead must be a Chinese thing.

Also, I rarely see any of the same screen names at lower limits. Seems strange as there can't be that many players on the site considering how new it is.

LOL at this. They have 0 Chinese on the site it is just a scam. A friend of mine download it and we had a solid lol at this. I mean find me one legit site where there is more mid/high stakes games than micro? Where high stakes traffic for this new site is bigger than 2 biggest China sites combined (and no won't share the names just to prove the point)?? Where from what is seems site is owned by some Ukrainians?!? And suddenly they all get high stakes Chinese fish that deposit to some no name site all the time ?? The site that has no presence in China, where no one promotes them there and they don't even have deposit options that are popular there (skrill, neteller are basically non existing there)? Like seriously? We even need to discuss whether it is scam or not?