lol , what have you read from all this threat?

as you can see is the same question he did to that guybecause he was not reading anything from here

it was only ironic

Ok thanks for pointing it out. Haven't read all posts

Haven has.

OK, so here are the results of my experiment. It's not what I was hoping for, but after a month, I have the following data to share about OurgamePoker and my experiment to see how many people like to "live dangerously"

On a website that I am associated with (I can't post any links, sorry) we posted a very negative review of O.P. At the very bottom of this review, there were two buttons. A green button leading players to US poker sites and a red button leading to O.P. The red button was *gasp* an affiliate link! A few people on 2+2 and other forums didn't understand why we would place an affiliate link at the bottom of such a negative review, but there were a number of reasons for this. But first, here were the choices:



Now, here are the results of the button click test:

Clicks on the red button over a sample of 33 days: 108
Clicks on the green button over the same sample: 283

Now, we must take into account that some of these clicks will be from search engine bots crawling the web page. Given the two links are directly next to each other, they should have been crawled an equal number of times. So let us remove say 28 of the links from the sample. This leaves us with a ratio of 80 dangerous:255 safe clicks, which reduces down to 1:3.2.

What can we ascertain from this data? Well, generally speaking, we can assume that most people weren't interested. But around 2 and a half people a day did seek more information by visiting their website. Lets take a look shall we?

Of those 80 people who visited O.P, we had the following account data:

Account creations: 5
Account depositors: 1
Total deposits: $75
Total affiliate earnings: $0.85

Now, why did we use an affiliate account to do our testing?:

1) Without one, we can't track the clicks properly.
2) We were actually hoping that we could meet the minimum payout threshold for affiliates, $50, to see if they would pay affiliates. This would have provided a (debateably valuable) data point for their legitimacy, insofar as actually seeing if they paid it out. Unfortunately, due to the fact that we were so good at discouraging people from signing up, we did not get that opportunity.
3) We have much experience working with affiliate managers. One contacted us before 2+2 began advertising O.P. We were curious to see if that person, or someone else from their company, as they undoubtedly have our contact information since they reached out to us in the first place, would contact us regarding this "negative review." No such contact was ever made.
4) Furthermore, we told the contact at O.P. about many of the flaws in their poker room that ultimately ended up in our negative review article. When they didn't understand some of them, we offered to be of assistance. Would they fly a representative of our company (me) out to their London offices to consult on their fledgling poker room? They were smashingly silent. We were hoping that we could light a fire under their asses with a negative article that ranked top 3 in Google (which we achieved). However, not a peep of contact was made.

So what can we conclude?

Well, much of the evidence is circumstantial, but it doesn't look all that good for O.P.
The overwhelming majority of people who read our highly negative review were deterred and did not create accounts at O.P. To the one guy who did, get in touch with us and prove who you are, and we'll take care of you.

Other Information

We reached out to 4 poker news outlets offering to provide them with our information. Only one of them responded and after one email, they never bothered to reply back. To our knowledge they did not run any stories. Another outlet did run a story, but for subscribers only and thus, very few people read it (hell, I haven't even seen a copy).

The fact of the matter is, no one cares enough to try to protect you. Not the people who sell advertising, not the affiliates who sign up players, and not the news outlets who are supposed to report stories of interest.

If you want to play at O.P, well, I have two words of advice... Caveat emptor.


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Kahn


P.S. To the haters and trolls. Maybe, just maybe... there are some people who have more intricate knowledge and plans than you can conceive. And maybe, just maybe... you should take a chill pill and realize that the world isn't a giant shilly/scumbaggy conspiracy.

^ not gonna quote that entire post just to bold the last paragraph.....but perhaps it
might be you decided you needed to actually follow up on your "experiment" (which may or may not have even existed before getting called out here, and that other site) to regain a lot of lost credibility. Don't need to prove anything to me but for funs sake:

Do you have any evidence at all suggesting you were going to be running this experement (which seems to have no real benifit, just downsides) before you got called out about it on here and that other site? It's pretty easy to get the dates to compare to anything you can provide; an email, anything?

I dunno, just seems to me if a well respected affiliate was going to run such an experiment, which involves advertise/accept money from a questionable site, they may want to get the word out to some people of their plans to do so BEFORE taking a pretty big potential reputation hit. I mean after all reputation/trustworthiness is pretty important in the online poker world.

Between this and your activity with EPN (buying funds @ .40 on the dollar) it seems your rep has taken a little hit around here. Is it that crazy To put forth the possibility that whole write up above this post was an attempt to stop the bleeding, so to say? Or am I just being a "hating troll?"

Edit-

Had you just admitted this in the first place you would've atleast saved yourself an hour writing up that analysis, and perhaps retained some cred from the people of whom you've lost. Just my 2 cents.

I don't accept your 2 cents. You're just an O.P shill. Shoo fly shoo.

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Kahn

Interesting. I call your integrity into question, your only response is I'm a shill. I certainly hope the way you've chosen to handle this, and the EPN situation, causes a steep decline in your affiliate $. If not for your actions, for the asinine ways you have chosen to defend them.

^^ that's some weak **** right there Mike. Deleting those factual posts about Kahn is very shady. He brought up his stupid "experiment" ITT and we are not allowed to call BS on him while giving details into why we came to that conclusion? Weak sauce my friend. For the record it wasn't just my post that got severely edited down but another poster who had been here a lot longer than i.

Having mods delete posts about you reeks of desperation and panick, Kahn.

The edited and deleted posts were totally off the topic of ourgame.poker.

As you know, I PMed you both, (and you - twice), immediately, to post in Zoo Chat or any relevant thread, and I included copies of your posts to ensure you didn't lose the content.

Sorry I actually didn't know you PMed me. I was in the middle of editing the post you deleted and when I was done I was notified the post was invalid. Prolly shoulda checked pms before responding to that tho.

My apologies.

To get back on track, I still haven't recieved me last payout. I've written the money off at this point. I Doubt it's a coincidence I was able to receive money while defending/supporting them ITT and as soon as that stopped so did my payout.

any verified winning player there ? Doesnt seem like there is one

Were at a point where the title should be changed and be linear with some theory we see in the zoo thread

Impossible that all regular players are loosing to what is described as monkeys playing with cards

Why would winning regs post publicly if the site was legit

Is this site available to everyone?

Cambodians are excluded.Sorry dude

I already count 4 (me includ)regular long term winner player who lose a lot
on it through very strange manneer , I'm still seeking after a winner on it , still don't found it....

Up! Any news. Site seems to be still online. Any player with cashout problems? I played over there a bit made and stopped after noticing the very weird betting patterns of their " Chinese players" but I am still interested to know what's going on there

Hey community!

Letting you know that www.ourgame.poker (dont open the link to avoid possible trojans) is another scam project of Dohapoker developers (who is unfamiliar with Dohapoker case please google it).

Room uses same software, a bit adjusted and redesigned. Traffic consists of bots who are operated by people. Ofcouse they can see cards of real players and quickly win their deposits.

Promos are inadequately huge, "traffic" reaches 5000 connections.

Our partners were contacted by creators of Doha - Ivanukh Nikolay and Ivanukh Alexander and even threatened in case they will spread information about owners of the room.

Important to mention that ourgamedotpoker masks under a big Chinese gambling brand OURGAME, owner of Pokermonster playmoney room - very well recognized and trusted company. Both - web domain and logo are aimed to look like Ourgame.

Real and trusted Ourgame:



Fake copy:



I warn all players and affiliates to stay away from playing, promoting and even installing ourgame.poker (or use Sandboxie software for safe opening of client if you are curious and VPN connection to visit their web-site).

Have a safe grind guys!

Interesting. My BOL PW was changed a few months ago (after playing at ourgame). I do change my PW sporadically, usually after decent sessions. Couldn't Remember changing the PW myself this time though. I chalked it up to being a stoner and forgetting. Gonna run a scan now, thanks for the info. Still no 5k w/d. Wrote the money off and charged back my deposit. ****ers.

Why deposit and play at a site without having a legally binding agreement?

I was almost embarassed to be thinking it was rigged but it's redic the **** I've seen. I'm convinced it's rigged and never playing there again and regret not searching first but when you trust the site advertising you don't even think about it.

whats up with this site ? is this still running ?

^ afaik, yes it's still running. Going by the tone of discussion here; I'd stay away.

Why do you always take such a condescending attitude towards people claiming a site may be a scam? It's not like the people in this thread are conspiracy theorists claiming Pokerstars is rigged because they ran 2 buyin below EV over a 2k sample. They're raising legitimate concerns about a clearly shady site, and you just dismiss them as dumb riggies and defend the site no matter what the circumstances are.

I've seen you do this in several threads about sites that ultimately all turned out to be scams without so much as apologizing after the fact. At a certain point, one really starts to wonder whether you're paid by shady sites under the table to defend them and brand anyone with legitimate concerns as a conspiracy theorist.

HUH? Serious digging here.

I'm not sure why you felt compelled to post this 4 years later, but it seems you might have missed a lot of my post. Nowhere in that post do I defend the site, and I encourage people to continue posting their issues:

If you want to take issue with the tone of my post, that's fine. Admittedly I don't have a lot of patience for posters who declare sites scams with no evidence, especially when they take us to task for it. But asking for evidence is not defending the site. The last thing I want is a site advertising with us when there is evidence that they are scamming, so I will always encourage people to post anything they have for ANY site, whether they advertise with us or not. It's what we should all want, isn't it?