No, it doesnt explain the new reward system at all, it only explains how much HE got. Not how much YOU will get. Everybody will get different shares based on a ****load of factors, your winnings/losses being the primary one. Thats at the core of this new system.

So its best to check for yourself in HEM and see how much its different for you personally.

So as an experiment if all the on game regs can post the following after 10k hands or over a 1 month period.

1. Winrate
2. Rake generated on HEM
3. Total rake generated as instructed by your rakeback provider

Im sure some of the smart maths guys here will be able to work out a model/algorithm to determine how much it affects your rakeback if your a winning at X bb/100 over X amount of hands.

Ill quote this to get you more exposure, but I dont think it will be nowhere near enough data to figure anything out, this things are seriously complex.

It's ongame if it were complex they'd mess it up. Wouldn't surprise me if the system was purely based on winrate.

In other words, if someone never played there they have no way of finding out how much bonus they will get.

Just sent this to my skin as a reply to an email I got notifying me of certain changes that were happening... I wanted to talk more about how I think this will negatively impact the network in the future and how they should have just kept going with the sell of great value back to players... but I've probably already written way too much... feel free to edit and email this message to your skins also:

Hi xxxxxx,

Thanks for your email.

I'm well aware of the changes that have taken place and am personally quite skeptical. From what I have been reading in the online poker forums you will, in a nutshell, be awarding reward points faster to players who lose more (or win less) relative to other players. On top of that, this new "essence" system will be taking into account not just results, but also around 30 other factors such as play speed/aggression and other things that I am unaware of. (Please correct me if I'm mistaken on any of the above. I'm just going by the information I have gathered online since neither {*insert skin you play on*} or ongame have made it very clear to the players)

The major problem I have with the above is the lack of transparency in how you are awarding the points. The amount of points awarded will change based on results, playing style, and your opponents. Given this, I understand the rate you are earning points at will constantly be changing. This means that the players must have blind faith that the network is awarding points correctly, with no method to check this is so. Even if you give us the exact formula to how you are assigning points/rake it would still be very difficult to check results as we would need a complete database of our, and all our opponents recent hands.

I understand the desire to make the games softer and bring more recreational players into the poker economy and that is good, but I am fairly skeptical this will happen. To me I think more likely the recreational players have a little bit of extra bonus money (at the expense of winning players) which they then may put back into the poker economy earning more rake for the network... In my opinion, the old system of awarding rake/points based on a weighted contribution to the pot was the most fair and transparent way of doing things.

I do think a likely possibility here is that a lot of high volume players will leave the network which will lead to reduced game liquidity (especially at 3-6NL and higher). This lack of games could even mean recreational players just decide not to play at all if they do not seen any available games running at their desired stakes...

I'm willing to give this a shot and see how things go, but I do think this change is a big mistake. You can take and pass this on to ongame as a vote for re-installing the old system.

Thanks for reading.

Kind Regards,

xxxxx

No, it's not the same.

The process: you make rake --> ongame use a multiplier ---> you get your "real" rake calculated by ongame = modified rake

"modified" rake --> pokerpoints
"modified" rake --> market points
"modified" rake --> affil rake, rakeback

Your "modified" rake will be the base of everything.
We calculated with one of my player: he made after 15th july 361$ rake, and he cleared with that performance 13% of his bonus.

Before the 15th july he would have been cleared 29% of his bonus with that performance (361$ rake)

So in his case his rake/playerpoint/marketpoint was reduced to 45% (by 55%) !

13% / 29 % = 0,448

I hope you understood my false english

The only way to clear the clear the confusion is clearly define what is happening. Not say you just have to wait and see. Lucky dip type thing.

You have scared this recreational player off! Well played.

English is fine and seems clear

Just gonna play devil's advocate a bit here - I pointed this out earlier in the thread and people seem to be leaving it our of their calculations or predictions; the effect is not only that recreational players earn more loyalty points etc. When you look at it from a higher level, it must surely also effect the skins and affiliates on Ongame, who will now earn (proportionally) more money for bringing in "recreational" players as opposed to high volume grinders. This incentive will surely lead the skins to change or adapt their marketing plans to try and encourage more fish to the network.

Of course we can talk through every detail of this change forever - the fact remains that its impossible to tell exactly how this will work out!

I think it is kind of ridiculous that the thread is full of ongame/skins representatives and no one yet was able to answer to this...

My skin told me that tables are changing from 20bb min to 35bb min in August.

again this seems like the biggest issue- the complete lack of transparency- which even skin reps are apparently writing back in replies.

note: it's likely on this forum that one will see far more "my rakeback/pts" were cut than anything else.

so here's the multi-million dollar question for ongame. are you guaranteeing that you are paying out as whole at least as much as you would have had this system not changed? assuming your answer is yes... what are you going to do to prove it to your player base?

How can we trust your sites if you aren't transparent? to add to what apefish said.

I don't know how you expect us to ensure you are "getting it right". I have plenty of sites screw up bonus payouts when the terms are very explict and i was only able to get it because the terms were explict. I have no recourse with the current system.

I don't see any other explanation than ongame is redistributing rake from grinders to their own pockets. If they give much worse bonuses to regs who have +50% rakebacks and give it to some random fish with shtty valuebacks, of course they make more mobney. At least I'm not buying this poker ecosystem explanation, imo it's just a bad excuse to justify raking players more and more.

I also noticed that they've changed points accumulation system and if i understand correctly, players lower than .25/.50 get less playerpoints.. Can someone confirm that? (This would be much easier to understand if skins/ongame would put their rake-tables etc. somewhere where everyone could actually see them..)