Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
No reasoning? I gave you reasoning, I explained to you the simple fact that its wrong to make serious criminal accusations against people without evidence. How did you respond? You then implied I was a cheater and involved in a Truepoker cheating ring conspiracy with your only evidence being that I called you out on your idiocy.
As far as waiting to see the results before I fling mud, you still dont get it do you? Its irrelevant to whether your accusations are right or wrong when determining that the way you make those accusations is wrong. I never said they were or werent cheating because, pay attention here, I DONT KNOW IF THEY ARE. If the results of your accusations were relevant then youd already have been proven a complete idiot anyways because the fact is I have no connection with any of the players you have been accusing nor do I have the slightest idea who they even are but Im sure that was of no concern to you when you alleged I had a relationship with them. Therein lies your problem. Two minutes after denying what I was saying you did exactly what I was accusing you of yet despite that fact you were either to dumb or stubborn to see it.
So forgive me if I felt like deleting my post earlier would be better than banging my head against a wall without hope trying to explain a simple concept of right and wrong to you.
(1) Why do you insist on implying that these are my
accusations. They are accusations I agree with and stand by and I've been the more organized and consistent poster on the issue lately. However, I am clearly and most certainly NOT
the originator of this idea. This issue was originally raised over 12 months ago in this forum and the smaller pro player forum by SOMEBODY ELSE. I simply agree and have been the most aggressive one LATELY demanding a response (12 months is long enough to wait) from TP/ACR support staff.
(2) No evidence? It is my professional opinion and that of several other friends of mine (all of whom have been playing poker for a living for several years) that the total monthly hours of playing time on the GOB and WALLIN accounts is inconsistent with what we believe is possible on a regular monthly basis. All we want is an explanation, and since we all have paid or are still paying in the tens of thousands of dollars in rake on this network we have the right to an explanation. Staff at TP has had OVER 12 MONTHS
to give us some reasonable assurances.
They could be calling the home numbers of the accounts in question on regular but unpredictable intervals and questioning the person who answers the phone to be sure that it is the same person every time. This shouldn't take 12 months, but if they've done a thorough job of it maybe it did. If they have in fact been aggressively investigating the issue. Then our job was well done.
If TP supplies us with this evidence, we can all thank them for their diligence and put GOB in the online poker hall of fame for most online hours ever played in the history of online poker in one consecutive time period and move on. But again, we have the right
Maybe if I give you an analogy you'll understand better. If somebody owns a flashy car and a nice house but claims $0 income on their tax return, they are subject to an audit. If the CRA/IRS asks for this audit they are not making "baseless accusations" they are simply demanding an explanation for what in their professional opinion is an anomaly. At this point is is up to the individual audited to provide an accounting for this discrepancy.
(3) Again putting words in my mouth. Saying "You then implied I was a cheater and involved in a Truepoker cheating ring conspiracy" is not just a baseless accusation, it's just purely false. You're now officially a hypocrite. The worst I ever said wrt to you is that I wondered why you were so emotionally invested in this and I suspected you had some personal connection to GOB team members. To assume this implies you're part of a "cheating ring conspiracy" is a logical fallacy. Again I'll have to give you a simple analogy because you seem a bit thick. Lets assume for argument that my kid brother was shoplifting. If somebody accused him outright of being a thief I'd be worked up about it and take it quit personally. I might behave sort of the way you have been. This does not make me complicit in his shoplifting, it just makes me personally connected to my brother. Get it now?
Do I have the right to assume you're personally connected to GOB/WALLIN people? Well you're the only one repeatedly throwing out crude insults. In this one post alone you've said "idiocy," "proven a complete idiot."
You see it's impossible for me to be "proven a complete idiot" because I have a right to demand an explanation. Not just me, but dozens of other players are wondering how one person can put in so many hours. That's it. Very simple. It's been 12 months and TP/ACR has not been able to explain. If they do in fact provide some irrefutable evidence then our job is done and no harm has been done. The only people who have done harm here are TP/ACR staff for refusing to address this issue for over a year....get it?
I'll give you one more example just to make sure you're getting it. I don't know if you watch the 2012 Olympics, but there is one particular girl that is creating quite a buzz because she is SMASHING world records. The variance of her performance is extremely anomalous. Already on NATIONAL TELEVISION top professionals and coaches in the field are openly stating that EVERY time they've seen anywhere near these records, drugs have been involved. Obviously this girl will be tested. If she is found to be clean will the coaches/ect be "proven complete idiots?" No, they are just stating the statistical facts they are aware of based on their professional experience. Will that issue be addressed immediately? I'd say that is something I could really hold my breath for.
If you need any further simplified analogies to start getting this please feel free to ask I can think up several more for you, but I suspect everybody else was getting bored after the first one.