Official Rush Poker Thread

[willyc]

According to various posts in "The Official Rush Poker Thread" (eg. here) the rake at this game is in the neighborhood of twice the rake at normal ring games.

I cannot find any explicit mention of the new rake structure either on the FTP website or in the client (please let me know if I missed it somewhere). One would not expect the rake to double without any warning, especially since this game runs and generates rake a lot more quickly.

This is both underhanded and greedy on the part of Full Tilt in my opinion.

I hope they decide to treat us fairly and reduce the rake at least to that of normal ring games.

[Ro$$]

pretty sure later on that guy realized he was calculating it wrong and it was the same 1 cent per 15 or whatever it is they use. (post 1443 in that thread)

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Edit/MH: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1443

[Gelford]

Originally Posted by willyc

According to various posts in "The Official Rush Poker Thread" (eg. here)

if you scrool down a few post from the one quoted you'll the poster correcting himself and admitting having made a mistake

[LOLDONKBETZ]

How can you make a post like this with no substantiated evidence? Have you even played Rush Poker?

I've noticed the same rake from both 6max tables/6max rush tables.

Just delete this thread

[jurrasstoil]

dunno about the higher limits, but at NL10 the rake is the exact same.

And ofc +1 @ LOLDONKBETZ

there should be a "?" in the thread title at least...

[Ro$$]

Change title to "Rush poker has the same rake as other games"?

[SuperHog]

seriously...

why do my hands shake when I decide to play a hand???

[jh12547]

All I can say is it's very, very addicting.

[Merswim]

Observation about Rush poker:

Having put in about 20k hands, I simply cannot believe the action hands I've seen. And these, obviously, are just MY hands. Who knows whatever other hands go down after I'm whisked away from the table?

The last three nights, I played 1k hands on stars a night, 10 tables of 10nl for about 2 hours each. In these three nights, I saw very few big action hands, flopped 2 sets for the 21 pocket pairs I had. Ended up winning 23 dollars playing TAG poker, calling all pocket pairs, playing my TPTK aggressively.

On Rush, 10NL, in the three nights, playing immediately after stars, I found myself involved in many more big hands, almost immediately. Literally, within five minutes on all three nights, I was all in with a set. AA & KK at least seven/eight times a night. Last night I had pocket pairs 11 times, flopped sets ten of these times, won nine of them. With AK, I've flopped a pair 9 out of 12 times. This is insane. Not complaining, I love Rush, as I'm winning a bundle, seeing alot of 'all-ins'. But I wonder....how can the action be so much more furious than stars at the same level? Any thoughts or similar observations?

[FireFighter]

Originally Posted by seemingsceptical

First ever post. I have read every post avail. on rush poker and i come to this conculsion as i havent played rush poker yet.

1/ Its fun and addictive

2/ Its a real fish attractor

3/ 6 max ave pre flop rate rush poker = 26% Across the board NO CHANGE
9 max ave pre flop rate rush poker = 19% Across the board NO CHANGE

4/ 6 max ave pre flop rate real poker = 35-45%
9 max ave pre flop rate real poker = 25-35%

5/ Its good for people who wanna see a lot of hands

6/ Its a cooler heaven

7/ Its a nit heaven

9/ Its a fish heaven

10/ You have no idea who are the nits and who are the fish, and therefore Cooler heaven

11) Variance is UNEPREDICABLE in rush

12) Variance is predicatable in real poker


SUMMARY

- In real poker, you have 10-25% more people seeing a flop. You can make notes on the people you are with. REAL POKER HAS LOOSER ACTION AND BETTER READS.

- In rush poker, the action is ULTRA-TIGHT. Your hands have WAY less value. You have NO READS to know if u are ahead. TO PLAY RUSH POKER YOU HAVE TO BE A GAMBLER. SOMEONE WHO LIKES ACTION, WILL FLIP FOR STACKS WITH HANDS OF LOWER VALUE, AND HAVE AN LARGE EGO KNOWING THEY ARE BETTER THAN THE OTHER 600 PEOPLE WHO ALSO HAVE NO READS.

I have come to the conclusion that you have already played RP and lost your ass.

FWIW...Fish attractor AND an Ultra-Tight game?

[beanie]

One thing that is happening for me is that the beats seem to matter much more mentally. I don't know if its the speed or whatever. The limits aren't really even a factor for me but because you are essentially running through multiple sessions at like 4 times the speed for some reason it amplifies my emotional response.

Anyone else know what I am talking about?

[jb9]

Originally Posted by Merswim

But I wonder....how can the action be so much more furious than stars at the same level? Any thoughts or similar observations?

Because 2nd pair is worth shoving:

Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: $10
BTN: $9.40
SB: $14.27
Hero (BB): $11.50
UTG: $8.09
MP: $12.37

Pre-Flop: K A dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to $0.35, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) K Q 2 (2 Players)
Hero bets $1.40, UTG raises to $6.99 and is All-In, Hero calls $5.59

Turn: ($16.23) A (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($16.23) Q (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $16.23 Pot ($1.08 Rake)
Hero showed K A and LOST (-$7.99 NET)
UTG showed A Q and WON $15.15 (+$7.06 NET)

And, what the heck, TPnK, no flush draw is worth shoving too:

Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $17.28
SB: $7.14
BB: $10
UTG: $15.31
Hero (MP): $17.15
CO: $11.09

Pre-Flop: A A dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) 3 A 8 (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.05, UTG calls $1.05

Turn: ($3.15) 4 (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.15, UTG raises to $13.81 and is All-In, Hero calls $10.66

River: ($30.77) 8 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $30.77 Pot ($2 Rake)
UTG showed A 6 and LOST (-$15.31 NET)
Hero showed A A and WON $28.77 (+$13.46 NET)

What can you do if people shove hands like this except call? If that's how they want to play, that's how you have to play.

[Pokerho]

Originally Posted by Merswim

Observation about Rush poker:

Having put in about 20k hands, I simply cannot believe the action hands I've seen. And these, obviously, are just MY hands. Who knows whatever other hands go down after I'm whisked away from the table?

The last three nights, I played 1k hands on stars a night, 10 tables of 10nl for about 2 hours each. In these three nights, I saw very few big action hands, flopped 2 sets for the 21 pocket pairs I had. Ended up winning 23 dollars playing TAG poker, calling all pocket pairs, playing my TPTK aggressively.

On Rush, 10NL, in the three nights, playing immediately after stars, I found myself involved in many more big hands, almost immediately. Literally, within five minutes on all three nights, I was all in with a set. AA & KK at least seven/eight times a night. Last night I had pocket pairs 11 times, flopped sets ten of these times, won nine of them. With AK, I've flopped a pair 9 out of 12 times. This is insane. Not complaining, I love Rush, as I'm winning a bundle, seeing alot of 'all-ins'. But I wonder....how can the action be so much more furious than stars at the same level? Any thoughts or similar observations?

If you have hit sets on 10 of 11 pre flop pairs, and hit a pair on 9 of 12 AK hands, you are just running insanely good. Rush poker does not change the laws of the universe in any way. You can just as easily not hit a set in your next 50 pairs. If there is more action, it's because the lack of table image causes people to be more aggressive preflop. You will see more pre flop raises, and therefore more preflop 3-bets as people widen their range on both sides.

[jb9]

Originally Posted by Pokerho

Rush poker does not change the laws of the universe in any way.

Agreed. I'm running just as bad in Rush as I had been in non-Rush. It's just happening faster...

[Pokerho]

Originally Posted by seemingsceptical

First ever post. I have read every post avail. on rush poker and i come to this conculsion as i havent played rush poker yet.

1/ Its fun and addictive

2/ Its a real fish attractor

3/ 6 max ave pre flop rate rush poker = 26% Across the board NO CHANGE
9 max ave pre flop rate rush poker = 19% Across the board NO CHANGE

4/ 6 max ave pre flop rate real poker = 35-45%
9 max ave pre flop rate real poker = 25-35%

5/ Its good for people who wanna see a lot of hands

6/ Its a cooler heaven

7/ Its a nit heaven

9/ Its a fish heaven

10/ You have no idea who are the nits and who are the fish, and therefore Cooler heaven

11) Variance is UNEPREDICABLE in rush

12) Variance is predicatable in real poker


SUMMARY

- In real poker, you have 10-25% more people seeing a flop. You can make notes on the people you are with. REAL POKER HAS LOOSER ACTION AND BETTER READS.

- In rush poker, the action is ULTRA-TIGHT. Your hands have WAY less value. You have NO READS to know if u are ahead. TO PLAY RUSH POKER YOU HAVE TO BE A GAMBLER. SOMEONE WHO LIKES ACTION, WILL FLIP FOR STACKS WITH HANDS OF LOWER VALUE, AND HAVE AN LARGE EGO KNOWING THEY ARE BETTER THAN THE OTHER 600 PEOPLE WHO ALSO HAVE NO READS.

I wish people would realize that anecdotal evidence really isn't evidence. Everything after #2 ranks somewhere between dubious and laughable.