They do? Stats please.

Don't bother his sample size is < 1000 hands

not 85% but still outrageous.

tiny sample of course but i played a ton of sngs/mtts over the 3 months that they started riggin it and the entire time, similar results, just didnt take the time to track them. i have had two other people do the same study with the same results.

really hoping others will do it too. look above to post #262 to see how i did my study. obv the margin of error is large, but with these kind of results the margin of error obv isnt the problem.

the sample size is actually about 2000 tourneys/sngs.

check it out for yourself, or are you too lazy?

Microbob, I'm not disagreeing with you. All I'm saying is that the error involved is likely to be small and we can test this.

Post hand histories then please?

you want me to post all my hhs from cake poker?

seems incredibly time consuming, what would it prove?

is anyone else going to do this study? if not, im gonna have to start another rigged thread, lol.

Zip them all up and post a link. We can download, import and verify your assertions.

I suppose next you say you were leveling the whole time and really aren't an idiot.

Nevermind, should have kept reading lol.

Ahh, OK then, you are referring to your previous post. I wasn't sure when you posted 85%. I included your 40/42 as well, and this gives us 78.2% over an 857 hand sample.

Wait, what? You don't think that over an 857 hand sample that this could be just simple variance? Of course it could be. Is it? No idea. If I can, I'll give it a try some time. I don't usually play at Cake, and I'm going away in a couple of days, but maybe at some point I'll be able to give it a go. My suspicion is that it's a waste of time, but if I get a chance, I'll do it.

the 85% wasnt referring to cake poker, it was a question. then i tried to explain what i was talking about because he must have missed my first post.

the sample is much larger when you take into the account that i had 2 friends do it too with similar results and i played for 3 months with the same shady stuff going on.

having problems zipping the files, i think its because i have a trial version. ill try again later.

Yeah, I understood it that way until you answered Mark's question.

It is much larger, but I would think it would still be considered quite small. Either way, further investigation wouldn't hurt.

Sorry, I didn't notice that we were talking about total underdogs winning 85% of the time or something really really abnormal like that.

If that was really happening over and over again on a given site then I would not conclude that it had anything to do with removal of unknown cards.
If this really were happening then I would be extremely concerned about that site.

Since this isn't happening anywhere and nobody has ever posted any proof that it is I'm not particularly concerned about it.

In short, I don't believe you. Post some real stats with some HH's or something if you are going to claim that some site is rigged and that you actually have such proof.
Saying that you have the proof and have those stats about a site and then not posting any evidence at all is not helpful in the least and just makes many people think you are making stuff up.

Sorry you are unable to understand poker or EV graphs and how they work.

Keep calling me an idiot though. Perhaps you will end up getting banned someday for being so rude.

Micro Bob, simply take a look for yourself. do my study for 200 hands to start off with and see what you get. If it comes back in the 80% range, then continue with the study and encourage others to do the same.

Oh, no no..

The regulars are the players who run bad because of the rig. Although they might be a bit greedy imo.

Another thing I thought about is how the RNG works. I read somewhere that it is affected by the mouse movements by the players, which probably explain a lot. Evil minds might then create the rig by themselves. That's naughty.

Well first we'd like you to post your hands since you say you've already done this. Second step is trying it for ourselves.

MicroBob: If I am understanding your argument about unexposed cards correctly, wouldn't we be able to remove that bias by looking at a large sample of hands from only HU cash players?

What I'm more interested in is how the "regulars" who are running bad were selected. Were they filtered by # of hands played and the players with the most hands ran the worst? How many players were put in this category? If it's 4 or 5, I think we can chalk it up to bad luck. If it's more like 50, then we're in business.

KCW - I do believe the bias would be removed if you looked only at the heads-up cash games.
However, I also think others might try to argue, "Well, they only rig it in the 6-max or 9-handed games LDO!! The rake is so insane on the heads-up games that they don't need to because even fewer players are going to be winners on those anyway" or something like that.

So while there would be no potential bias on such tables and we might see more 'correct' results I'm also not sure it would work as 'proof' to many others that the all-in's on the regular cash-game tables are on the up-and-up.


Nolimit - Okay, I agree. I'll play 200 hands of SNG's on Cake just for kicks.
I'll try to pay attention to all the all-in's at each table and not just the ones I'm involved in.
Obviously out of 200 hands there aren't going to be THAT many all-ins but if I feel bored and in an SNG mood I'll try to burn through my $41 I have in my account over there for fun and giggles.

Cake thanks you for getting me to interrupt my Elite chase on Stars to donk around a little bit on their site.

woo hoo. ill try and do another one soon too. here are some quick tips throw away AA,KK,AK,and AQ every time. play ace rag as often as possible, the lower the kicker the better. Kx is also golden. stay away from pps as often as possible.

Wanna bet on the outcome? I'll give you 2 to 1 odds.

what would the bet be? what wins more at Microbob's tables, the favorite or the underdog (with 2 to 1 odds if i take the underdogs)?

MicroBob,

NONE OF US KNOW THAT STARS IS RIGGED. NONE OF US ARE SAYING IT 100% IS. WE ARE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS. THAT IS A RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO. YOU CRAPPING ON EVERY QUESTION IS NOT HELPING ANYTHING.

lol the all powerful 2p2 allstar pulls out the ban card. I wonder if anyone else folded one preflop.

Pokerboy is running bad over a large sample. You think, of all things, that folded cards are skewing the numbers and he's actually not running bad. I find that idiotic. So do you calculate your outs based on 5 known cards and 47 unknown cards on the flop like normal people or do you subtract out all the mucked cards because they're not in the deck anymore. I mean, in a 9 handed game vs one opponent there are going to be 14 cards in the muck so you're flush draw is obviously 9/33 to hit the turn. Oh wait, I fogot the burn cards! No wonder fish chase every draw lol.