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I think that for a tightish player like pokerboy (and similar) it's possible that he's slightly more likely to get himself in situations where he is drawing more dead than he (or pokerEV) thinks on occasion.
It's only a theory and I really don't know that much about this stuff.
I'm literally sitting here laughing at my computer over Bob's ignorance.
You don't know how the program works, you're spelling it out wrong, and yet you're going to make yourself the centerpiece for this argument.
As I've explained before, it doesn't matter if you're getting your money in good or bad. The reason is that this program simply calculates how often you are winning or losing the equity that you have in a pot (in all-in situations) and then tells you how close you came to achieving that. If I'm getting money in bad in a lot of spots, I'm going to have a lower equity. It's how far I deviate from that equity that PokerEV tells me.
Seriously Bob, educate yourself on this stuff a little bit before making your long-winded matter-of-fact posts so that you don't end up with your foot in your mouth.
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Do you know this?
I don't think you do.
I think you THINK you know how to calculate what the chance of such a sample is but I don't think you are considering everything including such things as effect of card-removal, etc.
It's in the third graph I posted in BBV: the probability curve.
This is actually a very new feature in PokerEV so it hasn't been scrutinized and validated like the rest of the program has.
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It is possible that pokerboy is really proving that the pokerev results can be skewed even on all-in situations only DESPITE pokerev's claim to the contrary and that even those can be player dependent.
There were other AIE calcs out that gave similar results to PokerEV.
Having said that, there is some sort of discrepancy when it comes to multi-way pots and I'm not quite sure that a solid solution ever came about. But I do know that this would only slightly skew results.
Oh and lol at your thoughts on why the program might not be accurate:
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Here is a situation where I am drawing completely dead ...yet we don't know this because we will never see the folded cards.
Why would you want the program to show you folded cards? Do you just not calculate pot odds at the table because you can't see what everybody folded ? WAT? This part seems really silly to me. There are other times where you are going to have 'extra outs' too because your outs might be more 'live' because they are not in your opponent's hand. In the long run these are going to cancel each other out.
Your other 'complaints' about the program are seemingly basically along these lines where you want to see what your opponents folded.
But I definitely support looking into how PokerEV works and seeing if there is a flaw in the program. I also support looking into other regulars (mainly those that play excessive amounts of hands like MTTR and I) and seeing how our results compare when combined. And I support you looking a little bit more into how to interpret PokerEV results so that you don't say silly things like
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I think he and others are misapplying the data perhaps and after a large enough sample it will yield potentially wacky results.
right after you say
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and I really don't know that much about this stuff.