I am happy to contribute to any serious analisys with my HHs.
I am a winning mid/high stakes SNG regular.

re: joely/Rek

The seed and the random numbers are not the same thing. An RNG uses a formula based on some initial input to generate series of random numbers. So if I give it the input 5 I might get 4, 3, 7, 5, 1, 9, etc. If I give it 9 then I might get 6, 1, 8, 2, 2, 5, 4, etc. That number I give it is called the seed. The very useful thing about the numbers generated is that the RNG algorithm used ensures that any number in the sequence has an equal probability of appearing next so you get a series of pseudo-random numbers that fit all statistical characteristics of actual equal-probability random numbers - basically it is bias free.

What thermal readings, white noise, user input, etc are used for is to generate a truly random seed. Using them to directly generate numbers would be a bad idea since it is extremely likely that the readings are biased (eg- a reading of '7' might occur more frequently than a reading of '0'), which is fine for the generation of a seed but fatal for the generation of actual random numbers.

There is basically a 0% chance of there being any unintentional flaw with the RNG system of any modern site. It's not particularly complex even if there is a bit of vernacular when talking about it.

Thanks Dire.

+1

ZOMG SO RIGGED

Yes, they are PRNG's technically, but whatever.

As for a mass data collection and analysis, I'd love to see it. I'm a big data-driven nerd. However, sharing that much data poses problems, as you might imagine

As a big data driven-nerd you surely also know that hand histories, and other patterned text, compress extremely well. A full month of data for the one site I've received data on so far was more than 4gigs of text. It compressed down to less than 400 megs - or enough to easily share on any file sharing site.

On that note, I am am still seeking data for any site except for Stars for the month of August for 100NL 6-max. I'm considering paying out of pocket to a datamining service for access to their archives to obtain the data, but I'd still prefer to have it 'donated' since this is all still just a pet project of mine at this point.

No, poker software RNGs are not referred to as PRNGs, because they're not PRNGs. I think I've posted the link to the proof of this twice in this thread already (and certainly at least once).
There is no "seed".

Both of the thermal noise and mouse movements are used at PokerStars.

That's how the RNG works in your ordinary home PC, or your iPod, or Planet Poker, as detailed in the FAQ of this forum.

That's not how the RNG works in modern leading online poker sites.
You can't prove that it's not random, because it is random. You can expect and demand it to be random, because it is possible.

No they're not technically PRNGs! There's nothing pseudo about it.

This is proved here: http://www.cryptography.com/resource...s/IntelRNG.pdf

Good cryptography requires good random
numbers. This paper evaluates the hardwarebased
Intel Random Number Generator (RNG)
for use in cryptographic applications.
Almost all cryptographic protocols require
the generation and use of secret values that must
be unknown to attackers. For example, random
number generators are required to generate
public/private keypairs for asymmetric (public
key) algorithms including RSA, DSA, and
Diffie-Hellman. Keys for symmetric and hybrid
cryptosystems are also generated randomly.
RNGs are also used to create challenges, nonces
(salts), padding bytes, and blinding values. The
one time pad – the only provably-secure
encryption system – uses as much key material
as ciphertext and requires that the keystream be
generated from a truly random process.

can someone give me a cliffnotes of whats going on in this thread now? Has the stuff from the first 5 pages been proven false, or what.

I am really sorry if I am asking questions that may have already been answered. I got caught up in this thread and there is a lot of good info. It's just really hard to digest all of it.

If I may respectfully propose the following two questions:

Please answer only if you have worked in or studied cryptology.

Do we expect the RNG that drives the deal in Poker Stars to be perfectly random?

What are the consequences of a non-random RNG?

Feel free to elaborate.

Sharing that much data causes problems not due to size issues - most people who play hundreds of thousands of hands simply don't normally give up their PT data.

Oh, interesting. I was not aware. Regardless, I never thought it mattered much.

OK scratch my previous post.

It says that great care must be taken in selection of algorithms...so poker sites can provide a random game, but that doesn't mean they do.

This makes me realize that you definitely have to watch where you play. A sloppily written algorithm won't work. Any deviation from the true random % will favor the weaker player.

The first thing we need to do, it seems to me, is test the cards for randomness over a huge sample size.

Where do I send my HH's?

Oh and another thing.

I think we should test the hole cards ONLY to start. The flop cards are somewhat dependent on whatever hole cards are dealt but the hole cards should be truly random.

That paper actually clearly states that the "truly random" data is extremely biased. That data is then sent through a "corrector" to compensate for the bias and attempt to produce numbers that follow all characteristics of truly random data. The same process I described above. The only difference being that they rely on the corrector to create one series of random data, rather than relying on the pRNG algorithm to generate data "on demand". Either way: that is psueodorandom data. Truly random data is essentially impossible to utilize because of bias. It's all just a question of how you convert biased truly random data into unbiased pseudorandom data.

That paper also brings up some interesting concerns though. They state that the resultant data was also only verified at 5% and 1% confidence levels, which would be insufficient for something such as poker - where even a .1% potential bias in the data would be enormous. They also mention that one of the tests for randomness was failed even at those rather liberal confidence intervals. Again all perfectly fine for typical applications, such as key generation - but for a system that relies of thousands (if not millions) of random data per second/minute - it could be very bad.

All that aside, I am positive that the people who developed the RNG system for Stars were 100% aware of everything I just said - and I again maintain that there is almost no chance of any unintentional flaw with random number generation on any modern site.

If you have $100 NL 6-max hand histories from August on any site except Stars, then PM me.

Not sure if this is on-topic for this thread, but I've lost 23 consecutive all-in preflop heads-up races in which I was no worse than a coin-flip. By my calculation, the odds of this happening are about 1 in 8 million.

Streaks like that happen to me quite routinely. I know it's not "rigged" and this is all part of expected variance (right?), but it's caused me to quit playing online poker seriously. (I still play some at low stakes just to practice for live.)

The point is, I think the variance is so huge, you really need billions, if not trillions of hands to demonstrate a fair and unbiased rng.

Care to post the hands?

Here ya go. I think a couple of these the money did go in on the flop (with me as a favorite) rather than preflop.


Hand #1
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 6 players
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MP: t1150
CO: t3080
BTN: t3325
SB: t2885
Hero (BB): t1355
UTG: t1705

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BB with K A
1 fold, MP raises to t1150 all in, 3 folds, Hero calls t1000

Flop: (t2375) 6 T J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2375) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2375) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2375
MP shows J K (a pair of Jacks)
Hero shows K A (high card Ace)
MP wins t2375


Hand #2
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 8 players
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MP2: t2780
CO: t1380
Hero (BTN): t1470
SB: t1470
BB: t1470
UTG: t1850
UTG+1: t1520
MP1: t1560

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN with A T
2 folds, MP1 calls t20, 2 folds, Hero calls t20, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: (t70) T A 2 (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t40, BB raises to t100, MP1 folds, Hero raises to t300, BB raises to t1450 all in, Hero calls t1150 all in

Turn: (t2970) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t2970) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t2970
Hero shows A T (two pair, Aces and Tens)
BB shows A 2 (a full house, Deuces full of Aces)
BB wins t2970


Hand #3
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 8 players
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UTG+1: t1482
MP1: t1300
MP2: t935
CO: t2193
BTN: t1595
SB: t2275
Hero (BB): t1275
UTG: t2445

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with J A
5 folds, BTN raises to t1595 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls t1175 all in

Flop: (t2600) K 3 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t2600) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t2600) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t2600
BTN shows 7 7 (a pair of Sevens)
Hero shows J A (high card Ace)
BTN wins t2600


Hand #4
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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CO: t1300
BTN: t1490
SB: t1480
BB: t1500
UTG: t1420
UTG+1: t1500
Hero (UTG+2): t1500
MP1: t1500
MP2: t1810

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is UTG+2 with Q Q
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, Hero raises to t140, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t1810 all in, 6 folds, Hero calls t1360 all in

Flop: (t3070) K 7 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t3070) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3070) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t3070
Hero shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
MP2 shows K A (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
MP2 wins t3070



Hand #5
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t3580
BB: t9920

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 Q
Hero raises to t3555 all in, BB calls t3155

Flop: (t7160) K 3 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t7160) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t7160) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t7160
Hero shows 7 Q (high card Ace)
BB shows K J (a pair of Kings)
BB wins t7160


Hand #6
Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 7 players
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SB: t1770
Hero (BB): t1605
UTG: t2105
UTG+1: t1435
MP: t2845
CO: t2518
BTN: t1222

Pre Flop: (t775) Hero is BB with Q 7
5 folds, SB raises to t1200, Hero raises to t1580 all in, SB calls t380

Flop: (t3335) 2 A 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3335) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3335) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3335
SB shows 7 2 (a pair of Deuces)
Hero shows Q 7 (high card Ace)
SB wins t3335


Hand #7
Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 6 players
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SB: t1550
BB: t6740
UTG: t710
Hero (MP): t565
CO: t1450
BTN: t2485

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is MP with A 9
1 fold, Hero raises to t565 all in, 3 folds, BB calls t415

Flop: (t1205) K 7 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1205) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1205) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1205
BB shows 8 J (a pair of Eights)
Hero shows A 9 (high card Ace)
BB wins t1205


Hand #8
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t1565
BB: t11935

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN/SB with Q Q
Hero calls t75, BB raises to t600, Hero raises to t1565 all in, BB calls t965

Flop: (t3130) A 9 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3130) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3130) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3130
Hero shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
BB shows A 2 (a pair of Aces)
BB wins t3130


Hand #9
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 5 players
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BB: t2620
UTG: t1660
CO: t5285
BTN: t2815
Hero (SB): t1120

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with K A
1 fold, CO calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t250, BB calls t200, 1 fold

Flop: (t550) 9 J 8 (2 players)
Hero bets t870 all in, BB calls t870

Turn: (t2290) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2290) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2290
BB shows A 6 (a flush, Ace high)
Hero shows K A (high card Ace)
BB wins t2290


Hand #10
Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 3 players
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BB: t2290
Hero (BTN): t1600
SB: t9610

Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is BTN with A K
Hero raises to t1575 all in, 1 fold, BB calls t1175

Flop: (t3425) T K 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3425) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3425) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3425
BB shows 2 2 (three of a kind, Deuces)
Hero shows A K (a pair of Kings)
BB wins t3425


Hand #11
Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 3 players
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SB: t5100
Hero (BB): t2240
BTN: t6160

Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is BB with K Q
1 fold, SB raises to t5075 all in, Hero calls t1815 all in

Flop: (t4505) T 8 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t4505) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t4505) T (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t4505
SB shows K 9 (two pair, Tens and Nines)
Hero shows K Q (a pair of Tens)
SB wins t4505


Hand #12
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 4 players
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CO: t4595
BTN: t2565
Hero (SB): t1875
BB: t4465

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is SB with J J
CO raises to t600, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1875 all in, 1 fold, CO calls t1275

Flop: (t3950) J T K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3950) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3950) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3950
CO shows Q A (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Hero shows J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
CO wins t3950


Hand #13
Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 4 players
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BB: t2315
CO: t8355
Hero (BTN): t1685
SB: t1145

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BTN with A Q
CO raises to t400, Hero raises to t1685 all in, 2 folds, CO calls t1285

Flop: (t3670) 6 K 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3670) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3670) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3670
CO shows A 6 (three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows A Q (a pair of Sixes)
CO wins t3670


Hand #14
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 7 players
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UTG+1: t1320
MP: t2075
CO: t1060
BTN: t2820
SB: t1730
Hero (BB): t505
UTG: t3990

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BB with 9 K
4 folds, BTN raises to t450, 1 fold, Hero raises to t505 all in, BTN calls t55

Flop: (t1085) 5 Q 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1085) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1085) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1085
BTN shows K 5 (two pair, Fives and Fours)
Hero shows 9 K (a pair of Fours)
BTN wins t1085


Hand #15
Poker Stars $36+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 8 players
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BB: t3788
UTG: t310
UTG+1: t2200
MP1: t5345
Hero (MP2): t703
CO: t1783
BTN: t4015
SB: t8326

Pre Flop: (t500) Hero is MP2 with K T
3 folds, Hero raises to t678 all in, CO calls t678, 3 folds

Flop: (t1856) 6 7 Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1856) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1856) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1856
Hero shows K T (high card King)
CO shows T J (a pair of Jacks)
CO wins t1856


Hand #16
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 2 players
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BB: t11695
Hero (BTN/SB): t1805

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 7
Hero raises to t1780 all in, BB calls t1380

Flop: (t3610) K 8 A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3610) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3610) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3610
BB shows 9 K (a pair of Kings)
Hero shows 7 7 (a pair of Sevens)
BB wins t3610


Hand #17
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 4 players
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BTN: t4770
SB: t5740
Hero (BB): t680
CO: t2310

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with 7 8
2 folds, SB raises to t5740 all in, Hero calls t480 all in

Flop: (t1360) Q 6 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t1360) T (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t1360) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t1360
SB shows 4 J (a pair of Queens)
Hero shows 7 8 (a pair of Queens - lower kicker)
SB wins t1360


Hand #18
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t4940
BTN/SB: t8560

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with A 8
BTN/SB calls t100, Hero raises to t800, BTN/SB calls t600

Flop: (t1600) 2 2 K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t7760 all in, Hero calls t4140 all in

Turn: (t9880) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t9880) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t9880
Hero shows A 8 (two pair, Eights and Deuces)
BTN/SB shows K 9 (two pair, Kings and Nines)
BTN/SB wins t9880


Hand #19
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 5 players
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Hero (SB): t1630
BB: t2805
UTG: t3705
CO: t2325
BTN: t3035

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is SB with A A
1 fold, CO raises to t600, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1630 all in, 1 fold, CO calls t1030

Flop: (t3460) 6 5 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3460) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3460) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3460
Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
CO shows 4 4 (a straight, Three to Seven)
CO wins t3460


Hand #20
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG+2: t2310
MP1: t885
MP2: t1425
CO: t1160
BTN: t1800
SB: t2220
BB: t1270
UTG: t1450
Hero (UTG+1): t980

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG+1 with A K
1 fold, Hero raises to t90, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t270, 4 folds, Hero raises to t980 all in, MP2 calls t710

Flop: (t2005) T J 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2005) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2005) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2005
MP2 shows Q Q (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Hero shows A K (a pair of Eights)
MP2 wins t2005


Hand #21
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 4 players
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SB: t3720
BB: t5250
Hero (CO): t655
BTN: t3875

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is CO with J T
Hero raises to t655 all in, 2 folds, BB calls t455

Flop: (t1410) 4 3 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1410) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1410) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1410
BB shows 7 5 (a flush, King high)
Hero shows J T (a pair of Jacks)
BB wins t1410


Hand #22
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 2 players
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BTN/SB: t12125
Hero (BB): t1375

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is BB with J A
BTN/SB raises to t1600, Hero calls t950 all in

Flop: (t2750) 3 T 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2750) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2750) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2750
BTN/SB shows A 4 (a pair of Fours)
Hero shows J A (high card Ace)
BTN/SB wins t2750


Hand #23
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 5 players
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BTN: t4319
SB: t1923
BB: t1624
UTG: t3277
Hero (CO): t2357

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is CO with A Q
UTG calls t150, Hero raises to t600, 3 folds, UTG calls t450

Flop: (t1425) Q T 9 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t1757 all in, UTG calls t1757

Turn: (t4939) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t4939) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t4939
UTG shows J 9 (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
Hero shows A Q (a pair of Queens)
UTG wins t4939


Hand #24
Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 4 players
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BB: t8105
Hero (CO): t645
BTN: t1770
SB: t2980

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is CO with 7 K
Hero raises to t645 all in, 2 folds, BB calls t445

Flop: (t1390) J Q 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1390) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1390) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1390
BB shows 3 3 (a pair of Threes)
Hero shows 7 K (high card King)
BB wins t1390



Hand #1
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 6 players
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MP: t1150
CO: t3080
BTN: t3325
SB: t2885
Hero (BB): t1355
UTG: t1705

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BB with K A
1 fold, MP raises to t1150 all in, 3 folds, Hero calls t1000

Flop: (t2375) 6 T J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2375) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2375) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2375
MP shows J K (a pair of Jacks)
Hero shows K A (high card Ace)
MP wins t2375


Hand #2
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 8 players
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MP2: t2780
CO: t1380
Hero (BTN): t1470
SB: t1470
BB: t1470
UTG: t1850
UTG+1: t1520
MP1: t1560

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN with A T
2 folds, MP1 calls t20, 2 folds, Hero calls t20, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: (t70) T A 2 (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t40, BB raises to t100, MP1 folds, Hero raises to t300, BB raises to t1450 all in, Hero calls t1150 all in

Turn: (t2970) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t2970) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t2970
Hero shows A T (two pair, Aces and Tens)
BB shows A 2 (a full house, Deuces full of Aces)
BB wins t2970


Hand #3
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 8 players
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UTG+1: t1482
MP1: t1300
MP2: t935
CO: t2193
BTN: t1595
SB: t2275
Hero (BB): t1275
UTG: t2445

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with J A
5 folds, BTN raises to t1595 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls t1175 all in

Flop: (t2600) K 3 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t2600) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t2600) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t2600
BTN shows 7 7 (a pair of Sevens)
Hero shows J A (high card Ace)
BTN wins t2600


Hand #4
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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CO: t1300
BTN: t1490
SB: t1480
BB: t1500
UTG: t1420
UTG+1: t1500
Hero (UTG+2): t1500
MP1: t1500
MP2: t1810

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is UTG+2 with Q Q
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, Hero raises to t140, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t1810 all in, 6 folds, Hero calls t1360 all in

Flop: (t3070) K 7 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t3070) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3070) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t3070
Hero shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
MP2 shows K A (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
MP2 wins t3070


Hand #5
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t3580
BB: t9920

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 Q
Hero raises to t3555 all in, BB calls t3155

Flop: (t7160) K 3 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t7160) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t7160) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t7160
Hero shows 7 Q (high card Ace)
BB shows K J (a pair of Kings)
BB wins t7160


Hand #6
Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 7 players
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SB: t1770
Hero (BB): t1605
UTG: t2105
UTG+1: t1435
MP: t2845
CO: t2518
BTN: t1222

Pre Flop: (t775) Hero is BB with Q 7
5 folds, SB raises to t1200, Hero raises to t1580 all in, SB calls t380

Flop: (t3335) 2 A 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3335) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3335) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3335
SB shows 7 2 (a pair of Deuces)
Hero shows Q 7 (high card Ace)
SB wins t3335


Hand #7
Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 6 players
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SB: t1550
BB: t6740
UTG: t710
Hero (MP): t565
CO: t1450
BTN: t2485

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is MP with A 9
1 fold, Hero raises to t565 all in, 3 folds, BB calls t415

Flop: (t1205) K 7 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1205) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1205) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1205
BB shows 8 J (a pair of Eights)
Hero shows A 9 (high card Ace)
BB wins t1205


Hand #8
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t1565
BB: t11935

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN/SB with Q Q
Hero calls t75, BB raises to t600, Hero raises to t1565 all in, BB calls t965

Flop: (t3130) A 9 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3130) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3130) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3130
Hero shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
BB shows A 2 (a pair of Aces)
BB wins t3130


Hand #9
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 5 players
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BB: t2620
UTG: t1660
CO: t5285
BTN: t2815
Hero (SB): t1120

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with K A
1 fold, CO calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t250, BB calls t200, 1 fold

Flop: (t550) 9 J 8 (2 players)
Hero bets t870 all in, BB calls t870

Turn: (t2290) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2290) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2290
BB shows A 6 (a flush, Ace high)
Hero shows K A (high card Ace)
BB wins t2290


Hand #10
Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 3 players
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BB: t2290
Hero (BTN): t1600
SB: t9610

Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is BTN with A K
Hero raises to t1575 all in, 1 fold, BB calls t1175

Flop: (t3425) T K 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3425) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3425) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3425
BB shows 2 2 (three of a kind, Deuces)
Hero shows A K (a pair of Kings)
BB wins t3425


Hand #11
Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 3 players
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SB: t5100
Hero (BB): t2240
BTN: t6160

Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is BB with K Q
1 fold, SB raises to t5075 all in, Hero calls t1815 all in

Flop: (t4505) T 8 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t4505) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t4505) T (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t4505
SB shows K 9 (two pair, Tens and Nines)
Hero shows K Q (a pair of Tens)
SB wins t4505


Hand #12
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 4 players
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CO: t4595
BTN: t2565
Hero (SB): t1875
BB: t4465

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is SB with J J
CO raises to t600, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1875 all in, 1 fold, CO calls t1275

Flop: (t3950) J T K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3950) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3950) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3950
CO shows Q A (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Hero shows J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
CO wins t3950


Hand #13
Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 4 players
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BB: t2315
CO: t8355
Hero (BTN): t1685
SB: t1145

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BTN with A Q
CO raises to t400, Hero raises to t1685 all in, 2 folds, CO calls t1285

Flop: (t3670) 6 K 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3670) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3670) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3670
CO shows A 6 (three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows A Q (a pair of Sixes)
CO wins t3670


Hand #14
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 7 players
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UTG+1: t1320
MP: t2075
CO: t1060
BTN: t2820
SB: t1730
Hero (BB): t505
UTG: t3990

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BB with 9 K
4 folds, BTN raises to t450, 1 fold, Hero raises to t505 all in, BTN calls t55

Flop: (t1085) 5 Q 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1085) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1085) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1085
BTN shows K 5 (two pair, Fives and Fours)
Hero shows 9 K (a pair of Fours)
BTN wins t1085


Hand #15
Poker Stars $36+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 8 players
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BB: t3788
UTG: t310
UTG+1: t2200
MP1: t5345
Hero (MP2): t703
CO: t1783
BTN: t4015
SB: t8326

Pre Flop: (t500) Hero is MP2 with K T
3 folds, Hero raises to t678 all in, CO calls t678, 3 folds

Flop: (t1856) 6 7 Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1856) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1856) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1856
Hero shows K T (high card King)
CO shows T J (a pair of Jacks)
CO wins t1856


Hand #16
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 2 players
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BB: t11695
Hero (BTN/SB): t1805

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 7
Hero raises to t1780 all in, BB calls t1380

Flop: (t3610) K 8 A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3610) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3610) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3610
BB shows 9 K (a pair of Kings)
Hero shows 7 7 (a pair of Sevens)
BB wins t3610


Hand #17
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 4 players
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BTN: t4770
SB: t5740
Hero (BB): t680
CO: t2310

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with 7 8
2 folds, SB raises to t5740 all in, Hero calls t480 all in

Flop: (t1360) Q 6 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t1360) T (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t1360) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t1360
SB shows 4 J (a pair of Queens)
Hero shows 7 8 (a pair of Queens - lower kicker)
SB wins t1360


Hand #18
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t4940
BTN/SB: t8560

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with A 8
BTN/SB calls t100, Hero raises to t800, BTN/SB calls t600

Flop: (t1600) 2 2 K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t7760 all in, Hero calls t4140 all in

Turn: (t9880) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t9880) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t9880
Hero shows A 8 (two pair, Eights and Deuces)
BTN/SB shows K 9 (two pair, Kings and Nines)
BTN/SB wins t9880


Hand #19
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 5 players
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Hero (SB): t1630
BB: t2805
UTG: t3705
CO: t2325
BTN: t3035

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is SB with A A
1 fold, CO raises to t600, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1630 all in, 1 fold, CO calls t1030

Flop: (t3460) 6 5 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3460) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3460) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3460
Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
CO shows 4 4 (a straight, Three to Seven)
CO wins t3460


Hand #20
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG+2: t2310
MP1: t885
MP2: t1425
CO: t1160
BTN: t1800
SB: t2220
BB: t1270
UTG: t1450
Hero (UTG+1): t980

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG+1 with A K
1 fold, Hero raises to t90, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t270, 4 folds, Hero raises to t980 all in, MP2 calls t710

Flop: (t2005) T J 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2005) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2005) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2005
MP2 shows Q Q (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Hero shows A K (a pair of Eights)
MP2 wins t2005


Hand #21
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 4 players
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SB: t3720
BB: t5250
Hero (CO): t655
BTN: t3875

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is CO with J T
Hero raises to t655 all in, 2 folds, BB calls t455

Flop: (t1410) 4 3 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1410) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1410) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1410
BB shows 7 5 (a flush, King high)
Hero shows J T (a pair of Jacks)
BB wins t1410


Hand #22
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 2 players
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BTN/SB: t12125
Hero (BB): t1375

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is BB with J A
BTN/SB raises to t1600, Hero calls t950 all in

Flop: (t2750) 3 T 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2750) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2750) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2750
BTN/SB shows A 4 (a pair of Fours)
Hero shows J A (high card Ace)
BTN/SB wins t2750


Hand #23
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 5 players
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BTN: t4319
SB: t1923
BB: t1624
UTG: t3277
Hero (CO): t2357

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is CO with A Q
UTG calls t150, Hero raises to t600, 3 folds, UTG calls t450

Flop: (t1425) Q T 9 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t1757 all in, UTG calls t1757

Turn: (t4939) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t4939) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t4939
UTG shows J 9 (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
Hero shows A Q (a pair of Queens)
UTG wins t4939

me not too smart, but i am certain that myself and others are getting DEALT pretty much exactly what's expected.

source = pokertracker

your coin is pretty lopsided. this is not a flip.

Fair enough. However, I'm a huge favorite in many of the other hands. I'm too lazy to pokerstove every hand, but I'm pretty sure my expected average winning percentage is at least 50%.

Odd question, is there any way to verify hands like this when posted took place in a sequence as suggested.

Hey, at least some hand histories were posted, which is not the norm, and maybe these all happened in a sequence, but even so what is to stop someone from posting selected hands to generate a streak to make a point.

More a question of curiosity then anything else.