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Old 05-13-2011, 06:56 PM   #926
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Re: ***OFFICIAL PartyPoker Thread***

my "auto rebuy to max" button seems to be gone...
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Old 05-21-2011, 05:57 AM   #927
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Just a quick post regarding fixed limit rake, for the record:


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Rake at 1/2 FL SH on full tilt and stars is 3.23BB/100 and 3.12BB/100 respectively.
At 2/4 on full tilt and stars it's 2.53BB/100 and 2.39BB/100 respectively.

From my experience PTR's rake analysis is very accurate, it's taken from millions of datamined hands, and has been accurate for me playing across several sites.

Now the numbers above for party are skewed by bad beat jackpot tables, but if you look at the PTR pages of long time regs, who tend to avoid the BBJ tables, the rake is still very high on party:



Take this guy for example, he's an active reg I know, who doesn't play BBJ tables without a fish there, and despite playing very nitty for 6max (25/16 stats), he is still paying $38186/2680.15= $14.2477/100 hands = 3.56BB/100 at 2/4 6max.

This recreational player plays 60 vpip, and pays $26.26/100 hands



That's just not competitive with the other 2 leading sites, makes the games almost unbeatable before rakeback, makes huge downswings likely, and makes fish go broke faster. The problem applies to other limits too, and must stem from poor structure.

This is the party rake structure:


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And Pokerstars':

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The rake caps get higher quicker, e.g. 5 and 6 handed pots on party have the same $3 rake cap that only 6 handed pots would have on Pokerstars. That seems to be the main problem. If this were changed I'm pretty sure it would lead to more games running, and actually increase Party's profits. At the moment games only really run at 2/4 and 3/6 when a fish sits, all the regs are well aware that the rake eradicates any thin edge they may have over weaker regs. By comparison, there are a lot of tables at .25/.50 and .5/1 running often, where rake is more acceptable at about 3BB/100.

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Old 05-21-2011, 07:05 AM   #928
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A link to the above post has been emailed to a Party management by 2p2er coxquinn, who has some connections at Party, along with the paragraphs below. Will update here if we hear back about it. Sorry for double post.

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If the relationship between number of players dealt into a pot, and the maximum rake cap, was changed, I believe it would be very beneficial to the economy of the games, and Party Poker's bottom line.

The rake caps should be fixed for 2-3 handed pots, 4-5 handed pots, and 6-10 handed pots, not 2 handed pots, 3-4 handed pots, and 5-10 handed pots, as is the current system.

Making the above change would mirror Pokerstars, which is widely considered to have the fairest rake structure of any site, and is the industry leader. It would seem especially pertinent at the moment to have a competitive rake structure on a par with that site, since many of its US players are now migrating to Party Poker after Black Friday.

The current climate of the games, speaking as a regular player with over 100,000 hands played on Party Poker, is that games at $2/4 and $3/6 rarely ever run without fish in the game, as all the regs are well aware that the high rake eradicates any edge they have over weaker regs.

It's also not really appropriate that effective rake, in terms of big bets paid per hundred hands, is higher at $2/4 than it is at $0.25/0.50, but sadly this is the case. This prevents players from rising up the limits and progressing in their development. Many players, unaware of the rake structure, will lose at $2/4 over a sustained sample and conclude that they can't beat it because they aren't skilled enough, when in reality their winrates would be approximately 1BB/100 higher playing the same stake on Pokerstars.

Naturally requesting a reduction in rake and suggesting it would be more profitable for the site, as well as the players, seems counter-intuitive. However, I'm confident more games would run at those mid-stakes, and make up for the lower rake per hand with a higher number of hands played.

It would also fit in well with the recent Party Poker slogan 'there has never been a better time to play at Party Poker', if these changes were made, accompanied by a major announcement. Poker players nowadays are very aware and savvy when it comes to rake, and respond very well to sites being seen to review and improve their rake structures.
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Old 05-21-2011, 12:55 PM   #929
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Hi partycrew,

Please consider letting us have T$ instead of tickets after winning a qualifier and unregistering from the tournament.
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Old 05-21-2011, 01:55 PM   #930
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Also, why no huplo?
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Old 05-22-2011, 04:12 AM   #931
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Ahhhhhhh, Regamageddon!
Hmmmmmm, I see your Regamageddon and raise you a Kamehamehaaaaaaa!!!
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:45 AM   #932
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PLO HU please!

such a shame that party is the only network i know of that does not offer this...

esp w/ growing player pool now it should not be a problem to support it
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Old 05-22-2011, 09:46 AM   #933
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Hmmmmmm, I see your Regamageddon and raise you a Kamehamehaaaaaaa!!!
10 days... 9 hours... 14 minutes... 12 seconds. That... is when regamageddon... will end.

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Old 05-22-2011, 09:58 AM   #934
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Seriously though, is the Gladiator promotion actually having the opposite effect to that desired? I know I've not felt like playing at all this month (thanks to the 2+ extra regs in every SNG...) and looking at the current traffic, it seem pretty low considering it's Sunday afternoon. Even if it does slightly increase the traffic, then it's gonna take an awful lot of Pr0enca69's getting near 100% rakeback to make up for us regs who're not playing and would otherwise be only getting ~40% rakeback.

Looking at the graphs on pokerscout.com, it looks as though something similar may be happening in the cash games too? There doesn't seem to be the increase that I've seen in the past when they've run this promotion.

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EDIT: Actually, I think I may have answered why the cash game players aren't going as mad for this as the SNG players (from this ps.de thread): the number of "points per hour" drops off significantly during the promotion (because of extra-nitty games and many more BE short-stackers) making it harder to achieve the daily goals? The ps.de players seem to have been burnt by this before and not going for it this time as a result (I might be wrong though as Google-translated German isn't the easiest thing to try and read! ).

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Old 05-22-2011, 10:32 AM   #935
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PLO HU please!

such a shame that party is the only network i know of that does not offer this...

esp w/ growing player pool now it should not be a problem to support it
The fish go busto far too fast in a hu table. Yeah during a hu he will lose a ton of money but he will give up after a few weeks (days ?) when he could play a few months in 6 max games. I won a ton money with HU LHE at party but now the games are dead.

Im ok with hu plo table, I will kill a bunch of fishes but in one year the player
pool will growing at all anymore.
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Old 05-22-2011, 11:41 AM   #936
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10 days... 9 hours... 14 minutes... 12 seconds. That... is when regamageddon... will end.

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Old 05-22-2011, 04:27 PM   #937
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Seriously, WTF: http://translate.googleusercontent.c...4sGt13_6vYR3rQ

I know Google-translated German isn't great, but I don't think this can really be anything other than what I think it is:

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22er to 55er games turbos sh

I can not say my sn, but would like to discuss about the players, their leaks, and strengths.
As I recently due to the promo pretty much play I have identified the fish and regs quickly leaderboard or stats.

Reg following players interest me, especially because I often sit with them at the table:

IAm7heWalrus
Beat_It_uhhh
willy_wank3r
ppthebest
FFishFlavor
RheumaKajser
Huso___FU
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I'm interested in pof leaks or early to middle game and
Tiltanfälligkeit. And special features of any kind

Who has info?
lg
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Old 05-22-2011, 06:28 PM   #938
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Party, please do something about the shortstackers on the plo tables!!!

- I'm sure they contribute to some of the games being ridiculously tight preflop (it's tough to raise light when a shorty can 3bet most of his stack)

- why are the plo games still a 20bb minimum buyin? (the minimin buyin on the NL Holdem tables was raised to 35bb ages ago)

- how about increasing the ratholing time period before these hit and run merchants can return to the same table?

- what about some HU plo tables? (I know an earlier poster commented that the fish would lose faster but the same stands true for the NLHE HU tables - I'm sure the biggest turn off for many would be new plo players is the lack of action in what is supposed to be an "action game")

- as far as action goes, I feel that the dealt method of counting player rake (which party employ) encourages tighter play. I'm sick of facing these supertight rakeback pros (technically reward program pros in Party's case) who are looking to "play" as many hands as cheaply as possible (generally these players are neither big winners nor big losers). How about a system that actually rewards people who want to play poker?

Personally, I'm increasingly finding that, on loading up the Party client & looking through the PLO lobby, there is little value in sitting at these nitfests.
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Old 05-22-2011, 09:35 PM   #939
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Same for the tournament traffic. With the vicious cycle of tournament guarantees continuing to be reduced, players like me play less, just enough to hit a low Gladiator target. For example, what used to be the "Monthly Million Mega Friday Satellite TEN Seats Gtd" became the "Summer Million MEGA Friday Satellite 5 Seats Gtd" this week, with a 50% reduction in guarantees!

Like jukofyork and other players, I sometimes don't feel like playing at PartyPoker anymore, and remaining a Palladium grinder may become a challenge.
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Seriously though, is the Gladiator promotion actually having the opposite effect to that desired? I know I've not felt like playing at all this month (thanks to the 2+ extra regs in every SNG...) and looking at the current traffic, it seem pretty low considering it's Sunday afternoon.
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Looking at the graphs on pokerscout.com, it looks as though something similar may be happening in the cash games too? There doesn't seem to be the increase that I've seen in the past when they've run this promotion.
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Old 05-23-2011, 05:53 AM   #940
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Party, please do something about the shortstackers on the plo tables!!!
+1

When it was just this one multi-tabling ratholer, I could live with it. But now he seems to have brought a buddy (same country). I don't want to play 6max with 2 shortie ratholers at the table. I know he/they must generate a lot of rake, but the games will start to s**k too much.

I have much less of a problem with those who buy in for more than 20-30bb and keep playing after winning.

I am not looking forward to constantly having to change tables. Granted, I haven't played much plo yet on pp, but I am/was intending to.
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Old 05-24-2011, 01:26 AM   #941
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I had the misfortune of having to play a Turbo SNG on Party to get enough points for gladiator before the end of the day.

I noticed 1 thing that is weird, why is there 150/300 in the Turbos and not the Speed SNGs I mean it doesn’t really make much sense and I think it would really add to the Speed SNGs.

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Old 05-24-2011, 06:06 AM   #942
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Seriously, WTF: http://translate.googleusercontent.c...4sGt13_6vYR3rQ

I know Google-translated German isn't great, but I don't think this can really be anything other than what I think it is:
ROFL, they appear to be using random characters now (like '<', etc) because they've read this thread

Am I the only one who thinks it's not on dissecting peoples games on a public forum? Nobody else cares?

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Old 05-24-2011, 06:08 AM   #943
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I had the misfortune of having to play a Turbo SNG on Party to get enough points for gladiator before the end of the day.

I noticed 1 thing that is weird, why is there 150/300 in the Turbos and not the Speed SNGs I mean it doesn’t really make much sense and I think it would really add to the Speed SNGs.
Yeah, I don't really understand why Turbos have this and Speeds don't (IIRC, the higher limit SNGs had it also at one time).

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Old 05-24-2011, 06:47 AM   #944
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ROFL, they appear to be using random characters now (like '<', etc) because they've read this thread

Am I the only one who thinks it's not on dissecting peoples games on a public forum? Nobody else cares?

Juk
The foreign language forums have been doing this for years. I found out about it when googling for my name and found a group of Russians trying to 'dissect' my perceived leaks. If zee Germans' quality of analysis was anything similar to the Russians, I wouldn't worry too much about it. I just accept it as a part of the game. Have you never talked to a friend about another player?
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Old 05-24-2011, 11:47 AM   #945
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http://www.partypoker.com/promotions/the-big-draw.html

Mmmhm, next months promo seems pretty bad, its gonna be my holidaymonth. On the other hand, seems like they might launch the new vip store with all sorts of useless garbage, which could attract moar fishes.
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Old 05-25-2011, 03:26 AM   #946
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well i would still rather have that promo instead of these supergrinders promos(like gladiator is) that dont seem to attract much fish. and it will still be x% extra rb

games are so much worse than last month
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well i would still rather have that promo instead of these supergrinders promos(like gladiator is) that dont seem to attract much fish. and it will still be x% extra rb

games are so much worse than last month
+1,000,000

These sort of mega-grind promotions were great when there was a significant volume of mid-limit SNGs running, but with the way lower volume there is nowadays it really sucks and even a handful of regs going for the promotion can really decimate the game quality for the whole month.

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Old 05-25-2011, 07:31 AM   #948
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Yeah might be, but as a plo player it really doesn't matter because everyone is so god awful regardless of the month.

I doubt that those smaller prizes will do much, so you have to luckbox some better prizes to get decent rb.
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:22 PM   #949
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Where have all the SNGs gone I have 2 hrs to get 10 Poinsta and then I have completed all the targest.

Edit- What easier way to get 10 points 4 Table NL46Max or 3 Table NL10?

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Old 05-25-2011, 11:37 PM   #950
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looks like an update. no SNGs and no MTTs you can reg to in the next 6 hours

gl all gladiator ppl, i really mean it
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