Have fun with the bots and colluders and software that hasn't been updated for 10 years.

Yes ipoker is terrible imo. Really only Stars and Party to choose from.

Thinking the games will get better is exactly like thinking weighted contributed won't be bad for you or may even be good for you because you're a looser than average winning player. Its just wrong. Intuitively logical but wrong all the same.

On FTP there was absolutely no change in game quality after the change. If the earn rates of the top players at each stake are anything to go by, the games actually got worse. I suppose the main reason is that people who are playing this game for a living aren't going to just give it up, they'll adapt. The obvious way would be in table selection for instance. Right now a lot of the '18 tabling super nits' everybody claims to hate will sit at almost any table. If they sat at tables only with fish, and started staking out short handed tables to grab any Jesus seats that open up then their earn rates would almost certainly go up by enough to compensate for the change. The exact same applies to the rat holers as well. In the end that just means way more players actively fighting over the same small pool of fish. And that is one of the worst things for game quality.

Rake cap has always been $5 at hi stakes games at Party (+100/200 Limit games and +25/50 NL/PL games). Nothing new there.

And to make it clear, that isn't random speculation. You can't speculate about weighted contributed. The impact it actually has incredibly counter intuitive and even illogical. My comments are all based on the data from Full Tilt. And so far Party is playing out practically identically down to the percentage.

That's why this is all so nasty. People were up in arms about increasing the rake cap to $5 since that's obviously just an unjustified money grab. Swapping to weighted contributed on the other hand can be seen as 'fair', but its not - not at all. It is a rakeback system specifically designed to steal money from winning players and put it in the hands of Party. Most of us are winning a lot of the big pots we play, but under weighted contributed you will receive, at most, 50% rakeback credit for those pots - even when you pay 100% of the rake for them. If you were at all concerned about fairness, winner take all would be the way to go. Weighted contributed does nothing besides move money away from winning regulars and into the pockets of Party with no benefits whatsoever. It is no different at all than simply increasing the rake. Well there is one difference, people at least realize what's happening when a site says they're increasing the rake.

Just received a $500 bonus '500GOLDBONUS'

I dont see it on their webpage for promos. Anyone else get this?

With the dealt method you would receive 16% rakeback credit for those pots (assuming 6-max), so it seems more fair than the dealt method.

The contributed method is a way of reducing variance in the rakeback compared to the most fair method where all rake is credited to the winner.

As I see it a lot of regulars have been used to getting 16% rakeback credit even though they only win, say, 5% of the pots. So they are obviously unhappy. Players like me win approximately 16% of the pots, so we're unaffacted.

They will come back to rake increase in March/April 2012 when people's will be stuck in their reward system and already too late for SNE at Stars.
Once they tried making such ridiculous changes without any communication with the players, not only not asking for feedback but not even announcing it I think there is no reason to trust they won't make those or even more ridiculous changes in the future.

@Party Rep,

Seriously, you guys really screwed **** up in the 2+2 community. Your company looks really bad right now. My suggestion, offer a really big incentive right now to sway the opinion of us all. Change rake structure or offer some ridiculous bonus. Its obvious how much rake in the long run us regs provide for u guys. I really think u should rethink your business model, cause right now you are losing customers and fast. And your company's growth rate sucks ass.
http://www.pokerkingblog.com/2011/08...y-in-freefall/

As somebody who also assumed he knew everything when FTP announced their change to weighted contributed, you're going to be eating crow in the very near future. I am/was a much looser than average player who played wonky post. Naturally I was also praising the announced change to weighted contributed on FTP and having a good laugh at the nits and rat holers. But as you'll soon find out - the games aren't going to get better, and you're going to be losing money on top of it. It doesn't matter how loose you play, how many pots you win or how big your e-peen. Given hindsight you're going to feel like a fool for defending this right now. And well, I'm giving you that hind sight - take it!

If you refuse to take my word on it then simply go put in some hands. Go play 10k hands and compare your rakeback vs what it would be. You'll be singing a different tune very soon.

I use Party EZCash for hotkey for fold/raise/etc. However when it seems to have gotten increasingly slower to the point that sometimes the hotkey will not register, or it will take a few seconds so that it actually folds on another table!

I have reinstalled party, I have a clean quadcore well mainted computer, and due to the known memory leak lobby I restart the lobby every session.

What can I do to improve this, is this a party problem or something else ?

Oh right, didn't know that.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...thread-906098/

Juk

Did they really get rid of the super-fast way of logging in that bypassed the internet loading screen??

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No, i only get casinobonuses, i guess they wanna bust my account.

Where did you get that ? By mail ? Did you deposit and get it ?

How do you know Party won't get better? How do you know FT didn't plug a hole that would've caused their games to get nittier and nittier over time. Maybe the change from dealt to contributed by FT at least helped to level off a trend of nittiness. Just because data shows winning players made less and stayed that way after the change doesn't mean it didn't contribute to improving game conditions (or help slow the degradation of them). Tried playing at Ongame lately? The stakes and games I play have gotten ridiculously soft on their new Essence system similar to a weighted contributed.

So you're saying 18 table super nits have to adapt to meet some minimum wage requirement? Why would players not make positive changes to their games (such as practicing game selection) until a site makes things tougher? If a super nit switches from playing 18 tables to playing 4 tables then that's an improvement in game quality. The games he stopped playing in became slightly less nitty and slightly more fun for everyone else to play in.

I can and I will and so are you.

All changes by any casino are designed to create more revenue in one way or the other. By giving more rewards to loosing players, it makes it more fun for them to play and so they might play more often at said casino. This could be a benefit to winning players indirectly over time (as well as the casino). I'm not saying everyone should stay at Party or that in three months it's going to be more profitable because the games are so soft, I'm just saying that they might be. Again, check and see how Ongame (or it's data) is for your stakes and games, they've been on a similar system for about 6 months now I think.

No deposit. Hadn't played on Party in like 6mths and just started again this week and after 2 days I received the bonus.

thats a good bonus: 50% rakeback. finish it imo

also looks like party is blaming(or trying to put the blame on) the memory leaks to a 3rd party software. i sent a rant email about rake increases along with other stuff

reply regarding memory leaks:

I am recounting events as they unrolled at FTP; comparing/contrasting to them to how things are unrolling at Party. Uncannily similar for now. You are looking for some way to suggest that though everything is, thus far, playing out identically - that the final result will be somehow different on Party than it was on FTP. For what ends, I'm uncertain. I can only imagine that you are as I am and feel you know everything, so when something doesn't go as you are expecting - you need to examine a million possible explanations before simply accepting that your intuition on the situation is completely off.

Anyone know if there goinig to change it so that you can resize the lobby again, very annoying at the moment.

^double click top title bar

more tips and tricks here: http://www.partypoker.com/blog/party...find-game.html



Also you can right click the title bar highlighted in red and remove some of the useless columns that cause the clutter.

Now that it's clear even 30% VPIP players earn far ewer points on Weighted-Contribution, can we please let Party know how we feel? Only the fish make more PartyPoints but they hardly benefit due to the structure of the VIP reward system. The big winner is only PartyPoker.

If you are upset over this change, please contact PartyPoker and let's make sure our voices are heard. Call, email, and live chat are all good options.

Call
toll free most countries: 00-800-7278-9109
Canada: 1-877-447-2184
Australia: 0011-800-7278-9109

Email
vip@palladiumlounge.com

Live Chat
http://iq.corp.partygaming.com/eCust...b:PG_Party_En#

Private Message
Party_Rep


Here is a starting template you can use and personalize:

Quote:
Dear PartyPoker,

First off I applaud you for listening to your most loyal customers and not ruining the 600nl to 2000nl games with the $5 rake cap and $2 at HU.

That's a start, but the real problem is the switch from dealt to contributed rake method; it's bad for both overall site ecology and your biggest customers, without giving recreational players, or fish, much more actual rewards.

Let me explain why Weighted Contributed is anything but "fair," so we can move beyond that ridiculous argument. PartyPoints are not cash. They are part of a reward program that requires everyone to rake $10,000+ and stockpile points in order to get any significant value from those hard earned points. Losing players don't do this; they might on average get 10% back on their PartyPoints. Now nearly every winning/brek-even player, even if playing 30%+ of hands, earns less. Fish get more but points don't rake enough to be able to spend them wisely. So who does this change really benefit? PartyPoker, of course. (Assuming the same volume of games continue to run.) This move is anything but "fair" and a pure attempt to pay out less in overall rakeback.

Do you really want to be as fair as possible? Here's an idea: stay on dealt method and simply give fish more bonuses and re-deposit incentives instead of taking far, far more money from regs and huge rake generators than the fish will ever see. That solution would actually help overall site ecology instead of damaging it. It would certainly be a better way to keep fish around. If you insist on staying on weighted contribution, when you take $100 from my bottom-line, from someone who makes their living playing on your site, at the very least make sure weaker players actually see all of that $100.

According to my calculations I am now earning points 66% as quickly, meaning a decrease in my rewards from 30% to 20%. Now I make 13,200 points when before I would have earned 20,000 points and been able to buy a $3,000 bonus.

As much as I love Party poker, the VIP rewards are now 20back on the dollar + the monthly promo. Compared to the 40 cents I could get on Stars (with an even better rake structure) or 60 cents on iPoker, unless Party is crazy mega fishy (it's not), there is absolutely no reason I or any logical poker player should stay. Are you even trying to compete with Stars and iPoker to once again become "the world's largest poker room" or just screw everyone over in the short-run until we clear our bonuses and leave?

Please go back and re-evaluate how these changes will impact my bottom-line and the earnings of average grinders at small and medium stakes. Even before these changes, I was already paying more in rake than industry competitors. I was even paying more rake than I was earning in profit!

Party has always been the most forward thinking Poker site, until now. After pulling out of the US market post UIGEA, it was exciting to see Party not just survive, but thrive internationally. It seemed that Black Friday was their moment to shine. Instead, Party is shooting themselves in the foot by alienating their biggest customers and hurting the quality of the games. Sure, maybe you'll see a profit in the short-run, but this switch is so bad for everyone and helps just about nobody, it will definitely hurt the growth and long-run success of Party. Contributed method is bad for me, bad for us professional players, bad for site ecology, and bad for Party in the long-run.

Perhaps the proposed $5 rake cap was a smoke screen to avoid us from focusing on the real injustice, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and once again say thanks for listening. Now please keep listening: switch back to the dealt rake method, or at least when taking $100 from me, make sure that weaker players actually see that $100.

Sincerely,